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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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2016IsANewYearforMe · 03/02/2016 21:54

The "middle class" in North America and Europe during the 20th century were really just an affluent proletariat.

2016IsANewYearforMe · 03/02/2016 22:00

There have been a lot of commentators comparing the refugees to the Jews during WWII. Another analogy that springs to mind is the fall of Rome. Rome could neither repell nor absorb the barbarian hordes from the North. One analogy is suitable for the refugees, the other for economic migrants. Everyone loves an historical analogy, but that obvious one never gets mentioned. I assume it is considered rude and ungenerous.

mimishimmi · 03/02/2016 22:22

Seriously Deo? Many Islamic countries were making good progress towards modernisation etc until the CIA started funding rightwing tyrants, fundamentalist extremists etc. A lot of our 'strength' (and theirs too to be honest) is based on slaughtering and stealing from people. It's extremely nerve-wracking for those of us whose families suffered under fascism in the past seeing those same players being 'strengthened' again.

TheNewStatesman · 03/02/2016 23:18

Slight digression, but that mosque that President Obama visited the other day (to great rejoicing among many liberals)? Here you can see an image of what it looks like when it doesn't have a president visiting it.

"For over a decade, many of us have been fighting in the trenches for women's rights in mosques. It was a shock to us that President Obama chose to go to the Islamic Society of Baltimore, a mosque notorious among Muslim women activists for its gender inequity in its prayer space. Mosque officials insist that it doesn't have a policy "preventing" women from the sun-drenched main hall, filled with books, where President Obama will hold his mosque photo-op. But what we witnessed this past Sunday was very separate and unequal conditions, girls being dispatched to the gym to pray, while boys prayed in the main hall where President Obama will stand."

www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=482552938583626&id=462078103964443

BillSykesDog · 03/02/2016 23:52

2016 that had occurred to me too.

LongWayRound · 04/02/2016 00:06

TheNewStatesman I noticed that as well.

The American Islamic Forum for Democracy has this to say on the visit:
"Alarmingly, it seems that the mosque the president plans to visit – the Islamic Society of Baltimore (ISB) – sympathizes with Islamist ideology. The ISB links to radical Islamist cleric Yusuf Qaradawi, its leadership has called homosexuality a “mental disorder,” and has endorsed calls for gays to be “harmed.” The mosque also endorses the gender apartheid bolstered by many mosques around the country, separating men and women during prayer and most functions. Its website is shrouded in a typical Islamist secrecy regarding its history, leadership, affiliations, and ideology. Their denials this week are meaningless in the absence of transparency."

TheNewStatesman · 04/02/2016 00:46

It's a stupid missed opportunity. I am not a fan of any religion but if he had to visit a mosque, how about a reform mosque that is getting rid of sexist and homophobic practices and attitudes?

The double standards are super irritating. Imagine how the left would react if Obama had visited a church with sexist practices and links to homophobic preachers?

fourmummy · 04/02/2016 06:22

It has always been a source of (slightly morbid and grubby) fascination to me why Cherie Blair has never sought to mount a challenge to UK's segregationist mosques on the grounds of their breaching of human rights, instead of seemingly always attaching herself to causes like this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/money/buytolet/article-3426295/Cherie-Blair-steps-landlord-mortgage-tax-relief-battle-legal-firm-claims-breaches-human-rights.html

GraceKellysLeftArm · 04/02/2016 06:43

2016 - or perhaps denial is the only form of defence left.

In contrast:
Jordan's education and health systems are struggling to take care of refugees fleeing Syria.
In the UK everything is fine and the only struggles we have are a few bad eggs who can't embrace the enrichment.

Wordsaremything · 04/02/2016 08:53

Morning all. Looking forward to the DD webchat too. Hopefully can join in during lunch hour. Thanks for getting this organised!

BrittEkland · 04/02/2016 09:01

You remember when the migrants stormed the ferry Spirit of Britain last month? Someone was flying the Unite banner in Calais and below that banner fluttered the orange banner of the group called Right to Remain, carried by the same person.

RtoR is based in East London, a hotspot for migrants from ME-NA. Well organised - they have free legal advice, free asylum and detainee advice, etc etc. That's a lot of talent and resources. Quite a few Cameroonis are on the Management Board and the outfit appears to be supported by trade union, journalist and others in the non-profit business. Right to Remain is a Limited company.

www.righttoremain.org.uk

BrittEkland · 04/02/2016 09:02

Words ..... How do I watch the DD chat, and submit a question? I dont have mic or camera.

BrittEkland · 04/02/2016 09:33

Apart from the extra burden on housing and education, medical care will be a priority for the newly-arrived. But the NHS is not ailing because we are living longer, or because we demand elective surgery and new off the shelf drugs, etc etc. That has been a longstanding lie for two decades.

In theory half a billion EU people can claim free NHS care. We are being flooded with health tourists, and the fault lies with our misplaced liberalism and the repeated failure of our govts to adjust eligibility so that it falls in line with other EU countries. Eligibility depends on residency, not contributions made. At the moment, any EU citizen can claim free treatment in our hospitals but that is not reciprocated to Brits by France, Spain, Italy, etc.

*The DoH confirms that anyone deemed ‘ordinarily resident’ in the UK is entitled to free NHS care, and that ‘a person can be ordinarily resident in more than one country at once’. DoH further explains: “For EU national it is perfectly possible to be ordinarily resident here from the day of arrival”. The person simply gives the address of a friend or relative who lives here, no checks are done. Hospitals see people fly in from various parts of the EU and manage to get operations and cancer treatment free of charge. They do not pay, hospital does not seem to ask for reimbursement, and instead we are having services and medications curtailed as if it is our fault for being too needy.

Why is Britain so generous to EU people, but we cannot obtain free healthcare in EU countries? That is not parity. You can flash a European Medical Card all you like, but you will be told that you have to pay for treatment now wherever you find yourself, i.e. France, and then claim refund on return to Britain.

LumelaMme · 04/02/2016 09:43

Britt, if it's like the last web chat I saw on here, it's just a thread where you can ask the person questions and they reply. Like we're doing now.

BrittEkland · 04/02/2016 09:47

Lumela Oh, I see. Alright then.

MariscallRoad · 04/02/2016 09:54

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januarybrown1998 · 04/02/2016 09:59

Britt MN will start a thread in web-chats and we can start posting questions for DD as soon as they do. I'll report my post and ask when that will be so we can make sure there are plenty of questions about how the government can/will/should be protecting women's rights in the wake of Cologne and other attacks and the wider implications for our society of the under-reporting and minimisation and victim-blaming that occurred in the aftermath.

He will be answering the questions, on a thread like this, live. Or you can read it all afterwards if the timings don't work for you.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 04/02/2016 10:18

Perhaps the problem lies (with all cultures) in a "too high" ratio of men. God, I sound rabid with that statement!

Just had to pick up on this Grace re my experience living next door to high volume and turn over of Eastern European men.

The same house used to have high volume and turn over of men from australia, uk, argentina, south africa, colombia, germany, spain etc etc, and for years we never had any issues. Sometimes on a rare occasion the music was loud and as I knocked on door before I even said a thing,...the person would usually say " sorry , music too loud?" I would say "yes" and they would respond " sorry will turn it down" and that would be the end of it. On the rare occasion they blocked us in, we would inform them, polity ( all warm smiles and apology) and they would pretty instantaneously jump in their car and move it a little! All normal stuff right???? And all men, young men?!

I am afraid it was a very different story with the men, young men from Albania, Romania, Poland etc. Very different story.

MariscallRoad · 04/02/2016 10:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35488674

TheNewStatesman · 04/02/2016 10:47

It's not rabid at all to comment on the sex ratio. Excessive numbers of men compared to women result in unstable societies and widespread prostitution and trafficking of women.

Poor old Sweden. All that hard work developing the "Nordic model" for prostitution.... I fear it's going to do them no good whatsoever. There are about 120 boys for every 100 girls among 16-17yos right now, apparently.

MrWriter · 04/02/2016 11:03

Britt in northern Ireland the border hospitals in Londonderry and Newry are flooded with Irish citizens making use of our free NHS. Yet I have relatives who have been sent to Dublin for treatment (paid for by the NHS) as the northern hospitals cant cope!

Its crazy!

BrittEkland · 04/02/2016 11:35

AMouseLive .... men from Albania, Romania, Poland etc. Very different story.

I agree. As a favour to someone, I allowed a Polish builder to rent my loft room for a little while. He was self-effacing and seemed like a nice guy. He abused his stay, and I did not limit his presence to one room because he had the use of the house. I would remind him about refuse collection mornings, but he conveniently forgot to take out the trash every time, he used my condiments incl ground coffee without replacing, never cleaned the cooker after use and - once - even crticised me for not jumping up immediately from my meal to clean up when a packet of loose tea had fallen over on the countertop.

He told me his wife would have cleaned up straightaway. I told him to fuck off and he had a week in which to do so. He had little sense of what and where he was. Madness.