Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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Let the debate continue.....

It's not the highest non-EU migration in our history though, not by a long chalk.

I do tend to point out that it's a lot lower now than under Labour. Because a lot of people seem to use high EU migration to say that nothing has been done and it's just the same as it would be under Labour. It's not. Non-EU migration would be significantly higher under Labour. Plus there have been laws introduced which have improved the quality of non-EU migrants, eg less with no Education, skills, English, means of supporting themselves etc.

Place marking to read lots of stuff later.

I did post a few threads ago that I had a mealy mouthed reply from my labour MP (female) It seemed to be a veiled accusation that I had rascist tendencies. Interestingly my DH contacted her about a business issue and he is now on her mailing list.

She hasn't put me on her mailing list

I suspect people may have more individual freedom though in bigger groups like the EU with tolerance for different ways of living and different people than in smaller controlled nation states.

'this would also affect the Rich Bastards and their quality of life. If the roads are choc-a-bloc because of overpopulation, then they are jammed for everyone. Where would the elite govern us from?'

No because the ruling rich elite are a tiny handful, not people who live in million pound homes who have no real power.The global elite wants a one world government with puppet politicians who do what they are told and to do that they need to end national sovereignty so that no one country can resist global governance. The country that can resist the elite is America, and Trump is the person who is now doing and who is their worst nightmare which is why all the elites across the planet are against him.

This is a quote from Soros

"When Soros was asked in 2006 about his statement in The Age of Fallibility that "the main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States", he responded that "it happens to coincide with the prevailing opinion in the world. And I think that's rather shocking for Americans to hear."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

Divide and rule is how the rich rule. They don't care about people with a few million in the bank. They are not the elite.

Altitude, with respect, two reports after exhaustive investigation have identified race as the root of the cover up and circumstances which allowed the offending to continue so long. Classism and misogyny did play a part, but I don't know how many times people have to point out that race was the most important factor in those events before people will listen! But I suppose people will never listen to what they don't want to hear.

claig ..... "The global elite wants a one world government with puppet politicians"

I need to picture in my mind, so that it makes sense to me - Which scrap of our planet would the covert Global Elite choose to have their families live?

This was reported on Bloomberg Business

"Orban Accuses Soros of Stoking Refugee Wave to Weaken Europe
...
Soros said in an e-mailed statement that a six-point plan published by his foundation helps “uphold European values” while Orban’s actions “undermine those values.”

“His plan treats the protection of national borders as the objective and the refugees as an obstacle,” he said in the statement. “Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle.”

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-30/orban-accuses-soros-of-stoking-refugee-wave-to-weaken-europe

The objectives are diametrically opposed.

Craig, where would the elite govern us from ? Cayman Islands ?

'Which scrap of our planet would the covert Global Elite choose to have their families live?'

They would live where they live now - in London, Paris, New York, Monte Carlo etc

Where do billionaires live? Where they have always done.

'where would the elite govern us from ?'

From their offices. They would phone up the political class and get them to pass the laws etc.

Jimmy Savile was also covered up. As have been countless other white offenders over decades and decades. The idea that it is only sex offences by ethnic minorities that get hushed up, minimised, ignored etc.. is just not true.

I agree that girls are being utterly failed by our current systems, and that the police aren't bothered about protecting them. But I don't think it's offender-specific. Do we have a fantastic record for prosecuting white sex offenders? No!

The problems run through the police, the government, the justice system etc... those in power simply aren't sufficiently bothered by the plight of women and girls to take action regardless of who the perpetrator is.

Soros backs left wing organisations.

John McDonnell, a socialist brain, tells us that open borders are "inevitable".

The rich want "open borders". As Soros said

“Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle.”

'Jimmy Savile was also covered up'

Absolutely. The media covers things up, it hushes things up and it closes down comments that don't suit the political positions of its owners.

I don't think anybody's ever said that only sex crimes by minorities are covered up.

But that doesn't change the fact that at the moment the sex crimes which are being exposed (rather than historic ones) are crimes which have been covered up because of race.

I don't think Jimmy Savile's crimes make an iota of difference to the fact that these crimes were covered up because of race. It certainly doesn't make it excusable or irrelevant.

'Corrupted means to make something impure, to taint, to debase, to make something/someone go from morally good to morally bad.'

WomanWithAltitude - yes got to a agree with you there! A rape victim is not corrupted. To say a victim is corrupted is to put a value judgement on the act. A rape is a sexual assault and a violation of her rights. A rapist may think he has corrupted a woman and it might be his goal to do so but he hasn't. He's basically an idiot and criminal who chose to assault a woman.

I agree about corrupted too. V poor choice of words.

So you really think that if the Rotherham offenders had been white it would have dealt with promptly and all the men prosecuted and jailed years ago? And the girls would have been believed and adequately supported etc?

Really?

Men get away with rape and exploitation on an enormous scale because those in power do not care. Not just Muslim men or immigrant men, but ALL types of men from every conceivable background.

Those in power do not care enough about women and girls to ensure they are protected and have access to justice.

Yes of course I believe that. Policing in Rotherham did not break down entirely. A tandem system operated where offences that were not split along these racial lines were prosecuted as normal. There's no evidences cases involving white people were covered up in the same way.

I also believe it because two official reports have said the same thing. Google the Jay Report and Louise Casey and read what they had to say about it if you don't believe me.

Sorry Altitude but you seem to be extremely poorly informed about this. You're making some very tired arguments which have been repeatedly disproved.

Go away and read Casey and Jay, then come back and tell us exactly why these ladies who are far better informed than you are wrong.

Those in power do not care enough about women and girls to ensure they are protected and have access to justice.

Too true, I personally would like to see much more severe punishments for crimes of sexual violence, I think that would go some way to reducing the prevalence of such crimes. At the moment there is no deterrent.

And whilst I agree that sexual violence is perpetrated by all types of men from all walks of life, the Cologne attacks were unprecedented in Europe in so much that they appeared to be coordinated and each victim was surrounded by countless men, isolating them to the point no-one could see what was going on. Yes gang assault/rape happens in the UK, the difference is that in the majority of those cases the perpetrators are known to the victim, as is the case with most rapes. Women being attacked on the street going about their daily business is, thankfully, quite rare, for now.

In my younger days I certainly experienced groping in nightclubs by the odd twat, but they were easily dealt with. I wouldn't fancy my chances against 10, 20 or 50 men though.

Right... does anyone except Billy want this web chat with David Davies MP?

He's a Conservative, taking a very active interest in this - he is anti-EU I think but he does also seem to genuinely care about the issue of mob attacks on women.

I'm on glitchy internet at the moment but I could start to organise it if other people are interested. I'd be happy to do that end of things if someone else wanted to give MNHQ a poke to get them to advertise it. Vertigo mentioned a Labour MP who was also keen to web chat on this.

If people want this to happen, we need to get ourselves in gear.

I would be interested to hover and listen in to the webchat (if that's possible) but my PC does not have a mic or camera.

I think how they work on here is that people type questions and the invited bod replies.

Can someone more tech-savvy than me confirm this, please?

I'd absolutely love to hear from David D. I thought his speech was brave and spot on.

Yes Kate Green said she was speaking to mn. I didn't know what's help end since.

Go to webchats and you will see they go to MNHQ and answer questions put to them by Mumsnet posters.

Yes I'd like to have a webchat with DD