Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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Let the debate continue.....

Where was the privilege for the young girls of Rotherham, Oxford, Keighley, Rochdale and the rest?

Privilege indeed.

I think classism came into it too. Most of those girls were either in care or from poorer backgrounds.

You have only got to look at threads like the one about the ending of lifetime council tenancies that was on AIBU towards the end of last year to see classism in action.

Yet when a tenant posts how they have been treated differently because of their housing or economic status the denials come thick and fast.

"The number of criminal charges from New Year's Eve attacks in the Cologne, Germany, has risen to 516 -- 40% of which relate to sexual assaults, police said. "

Just quoting that because someone said no charges had been brought.

The elite left are fond of telling the working class it's they who must bend and accommodate. Big mistake.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3426947/Shocking-footage-claims-group-migrant-men-attacking-two-pensioners-stood-woman-harassing-Munich-subway.html#comments

Picking on women and now old people, what a lovely bunch of scumbags

MoreShabby ....... utter savages. I noted the one with a beanie-type hat ordering someone to get away. Cheek, and not even in his own country.

When it was reported to the police all they said was, nothing could be done. Sounds like they have free rein to rape and attack whoever they like. What next?

According to the article the elderly gentleman was standing up for a young woman who was being harassed.

'Emilys abscence also duly noted as it was the last time this was pointed out'.

I've been absent because it's getting boring and I'd rather play with my daughter, not because of any salient point you made.

So what is your opinion of the statements from the Sikh and Hindu communities linked upthread by another poster.

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www.spiegel.de/international/europe/unexpected-consequences-of-german-dependence-on-turkey-a-1074643.html

That article is worth reading:

"Turkey has begun making efforts to combat the refugee crisis, but differently than Merkel had hoped. Rather that increasing patrols on the coast, where many refugees jump on boats heading for the nearby Greek islands, Ankara has closed the border to Syria.

"The result is that precisely those Syrians for whom survival is the number one priority are being denied the necessary protection. The many other migrants, including those who have left their home countries or third countries primarily for economic reasons, can continue to enter Turkey and travel onwards to Europe. Merkel's Turkey strategy is thus in danger of two-fold failure: It could make it more difficult for Syrians to flee the Assad regime's barrel bombs while at the same time failing to prevent the continued arrival of migrants to Europe."

I read in a paper that there was no need for anyone to take a risky boat trip in the Med from Turkey to Europe, because there is a train from Istanbul all the way to Paris. The train goes thru all the countries the migrants walked into and out of. I have looked at the map and it is true.

Widow, re male privilege: no I probably wouldn't say that. Using the example of Rotherham again, we know that white families were repeatedly reporting crimes to the police, council bodies, schools and being ignored because it was not politic for them to pursue crimes committed by one race against another.

For male privilege to have disappeared in a similar way we would be looking at the police and social services etc making a concerted effort not to prosecute crimes women committed against men. I would say it's still far more likely that the police and official bodies would fail to take crimes committed by men against women seriously. Very different situation.

Incidentally Widow, I would love to see you look the Rotherham victims in the eye and tell them they should have used their white privilege. Can you name one way in which the Rotherham victims were privileged because they were white? I know you will ignore that question.

There have been zero people charged for sexual assault in cologne

This was Iain Dale's (LBC) angry response when he felt Steve Symonds from Amnesty International was trying to dodge his questions on Calais migrants. 4 mins.

www.lbc.co.uk/iain-dales-fierce-clash-with-amnesty-over-migrants-123955?cmpid=E.LBC_Newsletter_WrapUp_16.01.29&cmp=EMC-SAIL

www.lbc.co.uk/father-of-british-isis-mum-slams-jail-sentence-124227

Here is the father of the woman jailed for joining ISIS who has given a furious reaction to her six year sentence outside the court. His moron daughter Tareena should have been charged with Child Endangerment as well imo.

Note he accuses us of Islamophobia knowing full well it is a criminal offence to travel to any ISIS area.

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Another article from Spiegel.
www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germans-ask-if-country-is-still-safe-after-cologne-attacks-a-1073165.html

Islamophedupia more like.

MariscallRoad - great links to the Spiegel. Those articles are the kind that the Guardian should be picking up on and opening up to comments, instead of burying its head even further in the sand by refusing to report statistics that it doesn't like and closing down comments on precisely the articles in which its bad faith is most flagrant.

I haven't received a response to my complaint about inaccuracy in the Jess Phillips article about Cologne, nor have the figures been corrected, even though accuracy is number 1 on the list of issues covered by the Guardian's Editorial Code. It still says that there were about "100 complaints [...], two-thirds of which were linked to sexual assault". I guess they consider my complaint to have been "trivial, hypothetical or otherwise vexatious or insignificant."

Well done for trying longwayround.

Britt If you travel by train from Istanbul to Paris, you have to show your passport with Schengen visa, at least leaving Turkey, possibly at the internal European borders as well. The genuine refugees are unlikely to have passports or visas, and the chancers from North Africa won't have passports either, because they'll have got rid of the ones they used to get to Turkey and they'll be claiming to be Syrian.

Long, me neither. Or from JP's office either. Disgraceful.

Mariscal, fascinating article. Thank you.

I found this very concerning: refugees aren't registered on arrival, but sent straight to camps and processing happens after a few days.

In many places, refugees simply disappear soon after arrival, without anyone knowing where they've gone. The operators of some asylum-seeker camps, like one in the state of Hesse outside of Frankfurt, report a disappearance rate among refugees as high as 50 percent within the first two days after arrival

LongWay ..... I know they would have to show passport & visa, but let's asume Istanbul allowed them to board without asking for Schengen the point is they would have asked for asylum in the first country (Bulgaria). Bulgaria would probably have said No Way and allowed them to carry on into Serbia and Hungary - the same countries they passed thru but declined to remain in. Some of these countries were relieved that the migrants themselves did not want to remain. If they were challenged on the train, I think all you have to do is invoke the magic words "I need asylum".

The more I think about it the more I see some powerful ideologies at work behind all this. I think it's why, for years, the EU continues to admit countries that the original members have to sub, so it is not in our economic interest, but for some larger political interest. I cannot otherwise understand why for the life of me I am made to feel like a racist or a xenophobe simply for wanting a sensible immigration policy like Canada's. Since Cologne emerged, the airwaves have been full of pro-EU 'the sky will fall in without free movement of people' commentators, none of whom can say precisely why.

As soon as Schengen started looking shaky with internal borders going back up, the pressure was bizarrely and unfairly switched to Greece to sort out their external border or face having a new EU border put up the wrong side of them. Some EU official made the peculiar comment that they could use their navy more effectively to police their sea border. But if they aren't 'allowed' to return any boats they find, what use would it be in terms of numbers arriving in Europe?

Europe KNEW that Colonel Gadaffi was the main reason there wasn't a huge influx of economic migrants from North Africa. Yet we went ahead and bombed anyway. We were also clearly warned that stopping Mare Nostrum would lead to disasters in the Med yet it was closed down anyway. Subsequent disasters don't seem to be leading to a 'perhaps we'd better reinstate it and give Italy the money to run it' debate - why not?? Decisions have been made that everyone in power knew would lead to huge influxes of migrants.

David Cameron says he wants to bring down immigration to the tens of thousands yet non-EU migration is higher than ever in our history.

Somebody either wants or doesn't mind this inward flow of economic migrants. And if I had no morals and a game plan of free movement of people, what better way than to foment wars in the Middle East and Africa. Pretend every economic migrant is one of the resultant genuine refugees, knowing that Europe will have a 'we must help them all' attitude with the asylum rule of 'don't turn anyone away' to back it up.