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Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

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shebird · 21/01/2016 16:57

What a pair. Her endorsement speech yesterday was just bonkers - words just fail me when it comes to Donald Trump.

Is this the best America has to offer?

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VertigoNun · 23/01/2016 23:57

I think Trump will let you down soon.

claig · 24/01/2016 00:00

The people are laughing at the prospect of the populist insurgency, the PPEs from Oxford at the Guardian are in pieces

"Trump and Palin may be funny. But they are no joke"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/23/trump-palin-funny-no-joke-republican-stars

The entire game is up. There will be no more Paris COP global warming kumbayas with puppets holding hands aloft and swaying in unison to the climate change tune.

Palin has said "drill, baby, drill".

It is the end of political correctness, the return of liberty and truth.

This is going to be an amazing year. Can the elite stop Trump or will he deliver the people's revolution?

claig · 24/01/2016 00:02

'I think Trump will let you down soon.'

As long as he ends political correctness, that is good enough for me.

Trump is not a hardline conservative, he is common sense and is liberal in many ways. He will be very good. As long as he delivers liberty and an end to political correctness, I will be happy.

VertigoNun · 24/01/2016 00:04

I am all for truth. I don't think Trump is full of truth, just full of a different type of bull.

claig · 24/01/2016 00:11

'I don't think Trump is full of truth'

True. But the crucial thing about Trump is that he is against political correctness and that will allow the real truth to emerge because no topic will be off limits and no silent majority can be silenced. All ideas will be discussed openly and whoever makes the best case will win. Trump is a liberal, he will not curtail freedom or the American Constitution.

Only freedom can deliver the best policies in the end. No elites from Harvard, Oxford or Yale will be able to ignore and silence the people under Trump.

claig · 24/01/2016 00:14

Here is a PPE from Oxford writing in the Guardian. He represents the system.

"It is a mood that stretches far beyond the US and is advancing in Europe too. Rage against anything that smacks of the system – including even the kind of coherent reform plans that might actually change it – has become a great, unstoppable force. And this is what Hillary Clinton is up against. She embodies the system at the very moment the system has never been more hated. And that’s no joke."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/23/trump-palin-funny-no-joke-republican-stars

Trump and Palin are no joke for the system. The system and its elites will have to listen to the people now. The entire game is up.

VertigoNun · 24/01/2016 00:16

Did you see a linguistic specialist pull apart Trump? He continually states there is a problem and uses very simplistic language. Interesting if you find it on you tube.

claig · 24/01/2016 00:25

No, I haven't seen it, but he is right and that is why Trump is brilliant because he communicates and resonates with the masses in direct, politically incorrect language that the the people trust - not in Oxbridge spin doctor speak, not in modernising Blairisms.

Yesterday Trumo said at one of his rallies

"do you want to know why Hillary is being nice to Obama? - because she wants to stay out of the clink"

It is that direct speech, that daring speech - speech that a spun puppet politicians would never dare say about their all in it together opponents - that has led to the people trusting Trump.

Cruz and Rubio are cleverer than Trump. Cruz won the National Debating Championship in the US and went to Harvard Law School. But Trump is far superior to Cruz because Trump has courgae, guts and honesty and that is what the American people are looking for in ab ange when they want to shake the Establishment system up.

claig · 24/01/2016 00:28

'He continually states there is a problem and uses very simplistic language'

Trump doesn't even have to spell out the solution - Trumpites trust him to "get the job done". Trump starts senetences and doesn't even bother finishing them anymore. It doesn't matter, he doesn't need to, Trump fans know he will get it done because he is politically incorrect says "in the clink" and will tell the world what Bill Clinton and all the rest have done.

fourmummy · 24/01/2016 05:23

"This is going to be an amazing year. Can the elite stop Trump or will he deliver the people's revolution?"

I hope that you are right. He's obviously unsure himself otherwise he wouldn't have wheeled out his doc to let everyone know that he's the healthiest man alive just in case he is assassinated

claig · 24/01/2016 08:11

Trump has already released his medical report and it was done in true Trumo hilarious style. It had Trump fans and the people roaring with laughter and the elites, Oxbridge and the Guardian in bits and pieces.

"Donald Trump would be America's healthiest president, doctor's letter says "
...
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has released a letter from his personal physician stating that he “will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency”."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/14/donald-trump-health-doctor-letter-americas-healthiest-president

claig · 24/01/2016 08:16

Sorry I muisunderstood you fourmummy. I didn't realise you had mentioned that Trump had already released his medical record. You are right, Trump is covering all options, heading the elite off at the pass. He knows their game.

Hillary hasn't released hers and Trump has asked about it. Rumours of what it might say.

fourmummy · 24/01/2016 08:53

As you say, we don't know if he is genuine or not but if he is, the establishment will never let him in. Just imagine it - are they really going to let their investments be swept aside in favour of revelations of truth, decency and straightforwardness (I'm not suggesting that he is these things, but this is the ticket he is riding on)? Did you see my link to a Bloomberg article on the other thread saying that the Saudis own a large proportion of US debt? That deal alone will continue to stand, surely. I'm afraid that we are in for more of the same.

claig · 24/01/2016 09:05

I don't think they can stop Trump. I think Trump's faction is slowly checkmating them one step at a time. They would lover to stop him, they are throwing millions of dollars at it, but just like our elites, they have no arguments to stop him. All they have is papers like the Guardian saying that he is politically incorrect, a "racist" and "dangerous" etc. But it won't fool the American people. Trump admits he is politically incorrect and the people laugh and love him all the more for it.

'"The more tongue-tied Mrs Palin seemed, the more intently her supporters backed her. The more the media mocked her, the more her fan base exulted.'

' it – has become a great, unstoppable force'

Trump obviously has poweful backers and they know the game.

'Bloomberg article on the other thread saying that the Saudis own a large proportion of US debt? That deal alone will continue to stand, surely'

I think there may be huge, huge changes. Remember how Trump tweeted to the Saudi Prince who called him a "disgrace to America".

"Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016"

Elites and puppets across the world are in panic. Slowly, Trump is checkmating them. No one will push the American people around anymore. The entire game is up.

claig · 24/01/2016 09:20

This is a global phenomenon and if Trump wins, the people win.

Andrew Marr on the Andrew Marr Show just now discussing the Sunday papers is talking about a university report that accuses "the London political elite of being the ushers and servants of the super rich"

Trump will make America great again. No dopey elites will tell America what to do or control any puppets. As Trump says to his tens of thousands of rally attendees "this is a movement and the American people are great people". There is panic among elites.

fourmummy · 24/01/2016 09:26

Claig, I love your optimism but the logistics just don't add up. $19 trillion of debt is a lot to owe someone, and people do all sorts of things when they are in debt. Why do you think ours steadfastly look the other way while all hell is breaking loose right under their noses? Remember the 'there's no money left. Sorry' note? We are in debt, have been 'rescued' and owe big time. There's only one way to stop him and he'll be stopped in a way that happens quite often over there

claig · 24/01/2016 09:36

'Why do you think ours steadfastly look the other way while all hell is breaking loose right under their noses?'

Because I think that some of them are bought and paid for. The reason the people love Trump is because he can't be bought, he can't be bullied. As one of his former advisers said "the establishment are peeing their pants at a Trump Presidency".

Trump tweet about Cruz

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump · Jan 22

Cruz says I supported TARP, which gave $25 million to Goldman Sachs, the bank which loaned him the money he didn't disclose. Puppet!

The elite have never dealt with someone like Trump. He calls puppets where he sees them. He says "I hate to say I am a politician, but I probably am now". He says they are "all talk, no action"

When Trump wins, there is going to be action and that is what the elite fear and that is why the elite know that Trump is no joke.

As the Guardian article said, with hints of sheer panic

"Trump and Palin may be funny. But they are no joke"

'$19 trillion of debt is a lot to owe someone'

Yes, it is a very serious, terrible problem, but Trump will clear it all within a number of years. How will he do it? Action. People will be going to jail. Corrupt elites will be in the dock and they will have to pay when Trump starts opening files and revealing what has been going on and who was responsible.

claig · 24/01/2016 10:14

Trump will make some regimes write the entire debt off. He will expose the corruption, He will call out all the puppets who profited from the people. There will be fines and jail terms and all sorts.

The great thing about Trump is, he will save the situation, solve the debt problem, grow the economy and do it all without war which is what some of the other factions are trying to create in order to escape from the problem.

Trump will be great for ordinarty people and bad news for the elites. Trump says he will be the greatest job creator in American history.

After Palin finished her twenty minute rambling speech endorsing Trump, Trump took the microphone, hugged Palin, and said

"We're going to give them hell"

and the crowd cheered to the rafters.

He meant he is going to give the elites hell. That is why the people are right behind him.

chilledwarmth · 24/01/2016 11:03

I'd prefer Sanders but sadly I'm thinking it's more and more likely we will be stuck with either Clinton or Trump, neither of which are in my mind good candidates.

claig · 24/01/2016 11:24

Sanders is a principled guy and is addressing real concerns of the people. In many ways, Trump's and Sanders's campaigns address the same people on the same issues but with different solutions.

"How Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump's Campaigns Are Similar

They're both populist movements, according to this former presidential adviser.
...
The campaigns, he added, "really represent an indictment of the ruling elites in the United States in politics in particular, but also in business to a degree. And that is that for many, many people who are in the working class and who have not finished college ... they increasingly think the system is rigged."

"They think that the conservatives are rigging it in favor of the wealthy and that the liberals are rigging it in favor of the minorities and the poor, and who’s looking after them?" he said."

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-populism_us_56a1541de4b076aadcc5e35b

They are both anti-establishment and anti Wall Street, but Trump will end up doing a deal with Wall Street whereas Sanders will not be able to make a deal.

I think Sanders may win Iowa and will win New Hampshire, but I don't think he will carry many of the other states. But, you never know, because there is real anger among the people about these corrupt elites who are ruining the people's future.

claig · 24/01/2016 11:36

'The Middle Class Is Dying in America'

www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-davis/thursday-failure---the-mi_b_8770814.html

It is being done deliberately by these corrupt elites. The American Dream is dying, the elites are killing it as they ship jobs abroad and decimate manufacturing while being paid and looked after by the super rich whose puppets they are.

That is why Sanders and Trump are surging and the Establishment candidates are so unpopular.

0phelia · 24/01/2016 13:14

It's what Marx predicted.

Once the comfortable, hard working, "honourable" middle classes are crushed, (we're seeing it here with doctors lawyers and teachers), that's when the seeds for revolution start sprouting.

I think there will be a global upsergence, it's in the making.

fourmummy · 24/01/2016 14:31

I recently read an interesting comment from an American citizen broadly regarding Ophelia's point. One of the reasons why we are in this predicament is because of the loosely 'socialist' model that Western/Northern European countries have adopted, with well developed safety nets toward health, social security, etc.. So, creating an NHS goes hand in hand with the philosophy that everybody has a right to free health care. While no-one would argue that access to free health case shouldn't be everybody's right, how to make this viable in the face of globalisation is what everyone is struggling with. This American citizen thinks that the philosophy is lagging behind the practical aspects of this - and they are right but no-one has any solutions at the moment, but I am very worried

0phelia · 24/01/2016 14:48

I don't think we are in this predicament because of any applied socialist system in Europe, loose or otherwise.

fourmummy · 24/01/2016 14:59

It's not the only reason, no.

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