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Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

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shebird · 21/01/2016 16:57

What a pair. Her endorsement speech yesterday was just bonkers - words just fail me when it comes to Donald Trump.

Is this the best America has to offer?

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Lweji · 10/02/2016 09:56

The problem for Trump is that so far he hasn't won more than 1/3 of the votes.
The real battle right now is for the other candidate, who is likely to be endorsed by all others who don't make the cut, and end up winning more than 50% of the delegates.

It feels like Trump has exhausted his electorate, but we still have many months ahead.

claig · 10/02/2016 10:04

'The problem for Trump is that so far he hasn't won more than 1/3 of the votes.'

Yes, but Trump's 1/3 are die-hard, they are going nowhere but Trump. They will never desert Trump, they are Trump to the end. They love Trump because he is not politically correct, can't be bought and can't be bullied. There has never been a candidate like Trump anywhere on the planet.

When the Establishment's also rans begin to drop out of the race due to lack of special interest money, their freed up voters won't all go to "low energy" Jeb Bush because Trump will continue to mock and savage Jeb and make the people laugh so hard that their sides burst as he devastates the Establishment's puppets. Lots of those votes will go to Trump, particularly as he is the only candidate who has the courage to tell the truth about Clinton and what is going on in the world. Everybody knows the truth and everybody is waiting for someone to tell it and to show the world that the emperor has no clothes. Trump is the only perosn capable and courageous enough to pop the elite's bubble. That is the story of Trump 2016!

Lweji · 10/02/2016 10:20

It won't do Trump any good if he only gets the die hard votes. It means he won't get past the 50% he needs to win the nomination.
He needs to start appealing to more moderate voters, but then he'll alienate his core voters. But, yes, this was a small sample and larger more conservative states may be quite different.
I just wouldn't sing victory yet.

claig · 10/02/2016 10:27

'He needs to start appealing to more moderate voters, but then he'll alienate his core voters.'

Trump's core voters will never abandon Trump. They love him because he stands for them and stands against the elite and their puppet class of spinners. They know that if Trump doesn't make it and that if the elite outwit him and defeat him, then they will never have a chance of beating the elite ever again. There will never ever be another Trump, it will all be over and the people will never ever win.

You have to remeber that Trump is not "a real conservative" as Establishment Jeb Bush and hardline conservative Cruz both say. Trump is flexible, he was and still is liberal, he works for the people, not for ideological dogma dictated by academic party elites. Trump has the biggest cross-party appeal of any Republican candidate, he will bring states into play that the Republicans could never have dreamed of winning because he appeals to blue-collar Democrats. And above all, Trump is not politically correct and despite what the Establishment media and their puppet candidates say, that appeals to millions and millions of people across all parties.

claig · 10/02/2016 10:35

When Bernie made his excellent speech, most of the key points were exactly the same as Trump's key points - no more Wall Street cons, no more 1% taking all the cake, better jobs and living standards for the people, better healthcare, no more pointless wars in the Middle East. That is the same as Trump. The difference is that Trump has the courage to do it all and defy the elites because he understands them and knows their game.

Bernie's major difference with Trump is that Bernie said "global warming is real". That i where Trump differs from Bernie and the elites (who all push that line). Trump will pop their bubble and show that the emperor has no clothes. We are witnessing a revolution in America, if the people lose, they will never ever win again.

Bernie rightly said "this is the start of a political revolution in America" and when Trump finished speaking the Beatles' Revolution began blaring out.

It is a revolution and there is panic among elites. If the people lose, we will never ever win again, the elites and their puppets will have beaten us down. But hope flies eternal, it's "we the people" against they the puppets, it's Trump 2016!

Lweji · 10/02/2016 10:42

They love him because he stands for them and stands against the elite and their puppet class of spinners.

That's the point. They will abandon him if he stops pretending to stand for them and against the "elite".

GruntledOne · 10/02/2016 10:53

Establishment demolished

Not when I last looked.

Trump's core voters will never abandon Trump

They will if he starts watering down his more extreme views, which is what he would have to do to get anything more than his core vote. If he wants to get the more moderate vote he's going to have to make it very convincing indeed, given his track record of lying, and the core voters would hate to hear him utter a convincing expression of moderate views.

claig · 10/02/2016 11:01

You have to realise that Trump voters don't believe "Trump's extreme views". We know he is sticking the middle finger up to the elites. We know Trump is a liberal. We don't care because we also know that Trump is not politically correct and that he will never let us down, he will always stand with the people against the political hacks and all their phoney rules and conventions, he will always tell the truth against their lies.

Trump is a moderate, but we know he is with us because he is not politically correct unlike every other frightened puppet in the race.

claig · 10/02/2016 11:09

The only thing that will stop Trump and make his core voters abandon him and give up all hope is if he ever says "you know what, the elite are right, global warming is real".

If he ever says that, then it will all be over, we will have been tricked, the elite will be laughing and the people will never ever win. But Trump voters think Trump is for real and has the courage to defy the elites and to tell the truth. He is not politically correct, he won't do what the elites say is correct, he is on our side and that is why we are with Trump to the end.

As the Beatles sing at the end of a Trump speech

"You say you want a revolution
We-ell you know, we all want to change the world"

Trump will change it, he is on our side. That's Trump 2016!

Lweji · 10/02/2016 11:32

BTW, climate change is real. It happens in the history of the Earth. Global temperatures have been increasing in the last few years. (see graph)

What people tend to disagree on is whether it's human made or not, and, thus, if anything can be done about it or not.

What's interesting, and depressing, is that Trump can say that global warming is false and be believed.

Sarah Palin and Donald Trump
claig · 10/02/2016 11:40

'BTW, climate change is real.'

Trump doesn't thinks so and that is why Trump fans love him. Grin

Remember his historic tweet that sowed fear into the hearts of the elite, caused them to say "we must stop Trump, we must hire more teenage whizzkids to spin our way out of this or our entire game is up"?

That tweet which will be framed and hung up in the White House so that every puppet in the world can see it was

"this global warming BULLSHIT has got to stop!" Grin

There's only one Trump, he's on our side and there is panic among the elites. Grin

Did you see all the Oxford academics on BBC Newsnight last night discussing how the EU is in an existential crisis? Did you feel the panic? Well that is nothing to the panic they will feel when Trump wins because that will be the victory of the people over the elites, the victory of truth over lies.

Lweji · 10/02/2016 11:43

I'll like to see him when his Trump tower is under water. :)

Lweji · 10/02/2016 11:49

I can also picture the elements stopping in their tracks and cool off just because Trump said so. Grin

I'm sure the weather people have seen temperatures drop since that tweet. In fact, I have felt this Winter has been much colder than usual.

Not.

Mistigri · 10/02/2016 13:09

You are nuts you know claig Grin

I've been sceptical about whether Trump had any chance of the nomination but he did himself no harm last night while all the other candidates apart from Kasich had a disappointing night. It will be interesting to see how the votes from the candidates who drop out get reallocated. My impression is that anyone who has any intention of voting for Trump is already in his camp, so he won't pick up many votes from Carson/ Fiorina/ Christie supporters - but if the anti-Trump vote is still split rather evenly among the remaining candidates, this may not matter that much. Whether he gets the nomination may come down to whether the republicans can eventually unite behind another candidate and it's not clear that they can.

Sanders objectively has a much bigger mountain to climb, but who'd have thought he'd ever get this far?

On the global warming issue, I doubt Trump is anything like as fervent a denier as other candidates - he's just an opportunist and I kind of doubt he's given the issue any serious thought, mainly because there is no mileage in it for him. Most of the other republicans are also climate change deniers, due to being heavily backed by companies and institutions with a vested interest in pro-big-oil/ big coal policies. It would be interesting to see Trump dare to buck the establishment on this issue as it would give more credence to his claim that he can't be bought (but I'm not holding my breath).

claig · 10/02/2016 13:47

'You are nuts you know claig '

That's what the Establishment call anyone who disagrees with them. They call Trump a lot worse. But we both wear the badge with pride because we know we have got them on the run! Wink

'I've been sceptical about whether Trump had any chance of the nomination'

I haven't because I understand what the people feel and know that Trump is by far the most popular candidate. However, that doesn't mean that Trump will get the nomination because there is utter fear of Trump in Establishment circles and their puppets have been instructed to stop him and dirty tricks will probably be used against him. We the people hope he beats them.

'My impression is that anyone who has any intention of voting for Trump is already in his camp'

No there are far more to come. Trump hasn't even started yet. This is going to be a landslide.

'so he won't pick up many votes from Carson/ Fiorina/ Christie supporters'

Carson is a very good, decent honourable man. His voters are decent people and they will either go for Cruz or Trump (both outsiders and anti-establishment). Cruz has more Christian credentials than Trump, but in my opinion Cruz is really a phoney and will end up as an Establishment puppet, so I think that Carson's vote will go to the candidate whom the elite fear - Donald J Trump.

Fiorina is excellent, she is very impressive, a real fighter and not politically correct, a real breath of fresh air. I don't agree with her on foreign policy, I agree with Trump, but she doesn't like Trump much, so I am not sure where her voters will go, probably they will go to a more Establishment candidate, which in my view would be potential puppet Cruz.

Christie is Establishment and pretty liberal so he is not in the "real conservative" camp for example he is misguided on a real conservative issue i.e. global warming

Chris Christie admitted that he thinks climate change is real and that humans contribute to it at an event in New Hampshire

This sort of stuff is Establishment and doesn't go down well with real conservatives. Voters fear sell-out and puppet tendencies in this stance. So on that basis, Christie's voters are more likely to go for Kasich, Bush or Rubio. However, Christie is a brilliant fighter who can go for it if he wants to (similar to how Trump does) and therefore some of his supporters may even prefer Trump's fighting style to the politically correct Establishment puppets.

'Whether he gets the nomination may come down to whether the republicans can eventually unite behind another candidate and it's not clear that they can.'

This is what the Establishment are hoping for but in reality none of their candidates is a match for Trump and the people. He will destroy the lot of them because he is not politically correct.

'Sanders objectively has a much bigger mountain to climb, but who'd have thought he'd ever get this far?'

Yes, it shows the discontent with the Establishment and the Clinton Wall Street backed elite same old same old. But Clinton is supposed to have a firewall in Southern States among African American voters and it is thought that Bernie mainly appeals to white college students and white middle classes. But I am not so sure, let's wait and see, Bernie may surprise the Establishment and get much wider support.

'On the global warming issue, I doubt Trump is anything like as fervent a denier as other candidates - he's just an opportunist and I kind of doubt he's given the issue any serious thought, mainly because there is no mileage in it for him. '

No, the Establishment candidates are the opportunists, they will say whatever their elite masters tell them to say in order to keep the special interest donor money flowing. If Trump were an opportunist, he would do as the elite say and say "you know what, the elite are right, global warming is real and I'm going to join the puppets of the world in their hands aloft global warming kumbaya at the next Paris COP". But he says teh opposite, he says what the people say "this global warming BULLSHIT has got to stop".

'Most of the other republicans are also climate change deniers'

They say they are but no one believes them which is why everyone is voting for Trump. The other republicans are not as modernising as our so-called conservative politicians, but all the voters know that if they get into power, they will do exactly what the elite tell them and be "modernisers" too.

'It would be interesting to see Trump dare to buck the establishment on this issue as it would give more credence to his claim that he can't be bought (but I'm not holding my breath).'

You are exactly right. The issue of global warming is the real litmus test of a true anti-establishment, populist, honest, truthful candidate. That is why Trump will never let us down because he tells the truth and no amount of elite money can make him lie. Trump doesn't tell the public the full truth on everything because he knows it would shock them, but the elite knows he knows the truth and that is why they fear him. Trump will always tell the truth on global warming because the elite don't frighten him, can't buy him and can't bully him. That is why the American Republicans are all in for Trump 2016!

Mistigri · 10/02/2016 14:10

I think you're tying yourself up in knots a bit there claig. Trump's spiel is that he isn't funded by corporate donors - corporate donors who are very much on the side of climate change denial. Ever heard of the Koch brothers? Chemical industry billionaires, and notorious buyers of Republican politicians. Not Trump though! - or so he says ;)

I don't think Trump gives a shiny shit about whether global warming is real or not. If he thought that bucking received republican wisdom on climate change would win him votes (eg in southern Florida, where sea level is a real and non-partisan issue) or construction dollars (there's money to be made from natural disasters) then he would be all for it.

GruntledOne · 10/02/2016 14:19

You have to realise that Trump voters don't believe "Trump's extreme views". We know he is sticking the middle finger up to the elites. We know Trump is a liberal. We don't care because we also know that Trump is not politically correct and that he will never let us down, he will always stand with the people against the political hacks and all their phoney rules and conventions, he will always tell the truth against their lies.

Claig, this is going to be yet another of those occasions where you end up saying "Ha ha, I didn't really mean it, I was only joking", isn't it? We've seen it so often before.

Lweji · 10/02/2016 14:19

No, the Establishment candidates are the opportunists

As is Trump. Particularly the way he did a 180º turn on abortion. Grin

claig · 10/02/2016 14:25

'corporate donors who are very much on the side of climate change denial'

They are not. Don't you think if they were that our puppet class would all fall in line and do what they were told? The banks stand to make billions in their carbon trading exchanges as they trade derivatives in teh right of the people to heat their homes and drive their cars. The global elite are the ones pushing the global warming game which is why the puppets and bureaucrats and servants of the world all hold hands aloft and sing a hymn to the elite's global warming song. All apart from Donald J Trump that is!

'Ever heard of the Koch brothers?'

Yes I had heard all about them from the left and the Establishment media and got the impression they had horns or something. Then I watched a 1 hour interview that Fox's Megyn Kelly did with one of the Koch brothers on Fox and I was stunned to find that he was an extremely decent guy and I agreed with practially everything he said. Watch it on youtube, you will be stunned. But I don't like the Koch Brothers because they don't like Trump. Trump is for the people and he will change the world so I can't support people who are against him. The oil companies have more money than just about any other lobbyists so if they were really against the global warming game then no jumped up bureaucrat politician would be able to go against them. The fact that the world's bureaucrats all sing the global warming kumbaya shows that there is no lobby against them apart rom Donald J Trump and the people.

'I don't think Trump gives a shiny shit about whether global warming is real or not.'

I think you are wrong because the reason people vote fro Trump is because he tells it like it is, he isn't politically correct, he tells the truth. As a Trumpite's banner said last night at Trump's victory speech "Trump4Truth". No amount of votes or donor money will make Trump lie because he is already richer than any of the other puppets.

Trump is like Bernie in that voters vote for both of them because they believe they are honest and trustworthy. An exit poll was done last night and something like 93% of Democrat voters said they saw Benie as honest and trustworthy and only 5% said the same of Clinton. That is the problem the Establishment have got, no one believes their candidates and their teenage whizzkids anymore, everyone wants the truth - "Trump4Truth".

GruntledOne · 10/02/2016 14:25

Of course climate change is imaginary. And then there's this. What's that I hear? The sound of hands being clapped over ears and eyes and loud voices singing la la la to avoid acknowledging facts?

Lweji · 10/02/2016 14:25

You have to realise that Trump voters don't believe "Trump's extreme views". We know he is sticking the middle finger up to the elites. We know Trump is a liberal.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong in relation to the US voters too.

Also, if they thought he was a liberal (it almost equates with communist in the conservative US), they'd be dumping him asap.

claig · 10/02/2016 14:38

'I'm pretty sure you are wrong in relation to the US voters too.'

I'm not wrong often and this time I'm not too. Wink

'Also, if they thought he was a liberal (it almost equates with communist in the conservative US), they'd be dumping him asap.'

This is what is so stunning about this election. This is why it is a "revolution" that the elite can't stop. The voters know that Trump is liberal on lots of issues but the Republican masses don't care because they are no longer fooled by the academics and theoreticians who try to fool them by ideological purist arguments about conservative ideology.

The people have had enough, they want to win, they want America to win and they want a winner in the White House who will "make America great again". The people see the courage of Trump who defies the elite's political correctness, who mocks and insults their Establishment conservatives in language that the media says is not allowed, who breaks every rule that a teenage whizzkid has written, and they say we want some of this because he has the courage to change the system and break up the elite's financial merry-go-round.

Trump is their worst nightmare and that is why the people are laughing and queueing up in their thousands to listen to Trump. It's Trump 2016!

Lweji · 10/02/2016 14:39

I'm not wrong often and this time I'm not too. wink

Well, we all know that your high failure rate is a joke, so I'll ignore that.

Lweji · 10/02/2016 14:40

ups, your low failure rate.

claig · 10/02/2016 14:45

A woman shouted out an insult about Cruz at Trump's final rally before the New Hampshire vote. Trump asked her to repeat it and mockingly told her off for saying it and the crowd of 5000 stood in a standing ovation and cheered "Trump, Trump, Trump, USA, USA, USA".

The media played the clips the next day saying how shocking Trump was and how they had never seen anything like it. But Trump didn't apologise, they didn't make Trump bend and bow, he said "we were having fun".

The people are having fun , laughing at the elites and their media gatekeepers and puppets like Jeb Bush and Cruz. The people are liberated, freed from the elite's yoke of political correctness and are voting in record turnouts for Trump 2016!

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