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Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

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shebird · 21/01/2016 16:57

What a pair. Her endorsement speech yesterday was just bonkers - words just fail me when it comes to Donald Trump.

Is this the best America has to offer?

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claig · 29/01/2016 14:12

'Trump goes out of his way to represent something that the others distance themselves from. But will that actually serve him in the long run? '

I think so. Despite what the BBC and Channel 4 oftem imply, that he is a joke and an idiot, he is in fact very smart and is using a strategy that is distancing himself from all the other candidates to show that he is not a puppet and Establishment and all the rest of them are. The anger with the Establishment is huge, not just among white working class but across all people as can be seen by Bernie Sanders' huge rise as well.

'But if and when Trump succeeds in sidelining the pro war establishment backed candidates then, that alone will have been worth it.'

Absolutely and my guess is that that is what is in fact happening. I think people will be going to jail if Trump wins and some of them know it. I think Trump wanst to avoid any world wars, he doesn't want America to get dragged in to help the elite and their banker mates. the elites are deseperate to stop Trump because he will reverse all their politically correct stuff like global warming and global governance and put America first.

Trump knows a lot more than he says in public. Davos and the elites are "alarmed at prospect of nominee Trump". Trump says some very tough things because he is sending out a message to the American people and to the elites, that he means business. He doesn't mean everything he says, he is outplaying the media and the elites because he understands the game and knows how it works.

claig · 29/01/2016 14:25

There was a very good discussion on the BBC's Daily Politics about Trump today with Andrew Neil, Matt Frei who made the Channel 4 documentary "The Mad World of Donald Trump", Kevin Maguire of the Daily Mail and Julia Hartley-Brewer.

They made some very good points in understanding what is happening but their analysis fell short and was wrong in lots of ways because they don't really get it, they don't understand it. None of them could understand wby a billionaire like Trump can appeal to ordinary working class people and that the people must be being fooled by Trump. They brought u other billionaires like Bloomberg and Zac Goldsmith. What they don't get is that they are Establishment (i.e. politically correct and believe in global warming) and Trump is the exact opposite. Trump is not part of the team, he is not part of the club, he is not part of the Establishment because he thinks differently to them. Zac Gldsmith said that Trump is "one of the most malignant figures in modern politics".

Trump is the elite's worst nightmare and the ordinary Republican people's and the real conservative Fox viewers' most popular candidate.

claig · 29/01/2016 14:32

Sorry, Kevin Maguire of the Daily Mirror, not the Daily Mail. He would probably hate to be associated with the Mail. Smile

Veritat · 29/01/2016 15:32

I think he hypes things up to create a buzz and doesn't mean half of what he says

So you like someone whom you believe to be a liar. Really?

Bossytits · 29/01/2016 15:49

Claig Give it a rest..

Lweji · 29/01/2016 15:55
Chippednailvarnish · 29/01/2016 16:54

I'm not sure which is funnier, Trump's hair or the idea that a man who inherited millions of dollars from his father is anti-establishment.
Grin

shebird · 29/01/2016 17:38

Chippednailvarnish Grin

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shebird · 29/01/2016 17:45

I think he hypes things up to create a buzz and doesn't mean half of what he says

And this is the kind of person you think would make a good candidate for president. I'm all for a bit more plain speaking and less spin but Trump is deliberately provocative and rude.

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claig · 29/01/2016 18:03

' Trump is deliberately provocative and rude.'

shebird, I agree. I think he is using it to insult the other candidates, the media, Hillary etc in order to show the public how far outside the system he is. I think he is doing it to get publicity, dominate the media and constantly escalate his insults as a tactic to win the election. It goes contrary to what every spin doctor advises politicians to do. He is the opposite of politically correct because he knows that most conservatives like that. After he wins, he will tone it down

"President TRump will be more politcally correct than candidate Trump, says Trump"

www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10828244/trump-politically-correct-president

It doesn't bother me because I understand that he has to do that as an outsider in order to beat the far more experienced "career politician" Establishment candidates. Most conservative voters don't care and in fact like what he is doing because they think it means he is going to shake up the system and clean it out.

Trump is not running a conventional campaign in the sense that we are used to.

SilverHawk · 30/01/2016 22:04

Going back to a previous point that Claig made
Why would the PPEs be upset? Surely they are not told that the 'Elites' want to Globalise and Homogenise the world?
Homogenisation seems to be the aim in Europe. Let's see how that works...

WRT new tutorials for PPEs, should Trump triumph! Isn't that just going back to party politics (real) rather than the vested interests of the mainstream parties (ie Establishment)?

claig · 30/01/2016 23:04

' Surely they are not told that the 'Elites' want to Globalise and Homogenise the world?'

I think they are. They have to follow the plan. They have go to Davos and make speeches there and the elites listen to see how well they are doing.

'Isn't that just going back to party politics (real) rather than the vested interests of the mainstream parties (ie Establishment)?'

Yes, but the Establishment prefers vested interests to real politics and opposition. Remember they are all in it together, apart, of course, from Trump which is why they are all petrified by his possible presidency and wish they didn't have to study his stunning rise which breaks every rule in their spin doctors' playbook.

If Trump wins then the USA will put a mighty big spanner in the plans of the global elite and the Davos crew to integrate the world with global governance (and global warming), and because the USA is so powerful, their plans will be sidetracked.

A Trump victory will change everything everywhere. I think it will also mean the end of the EU as Trump probably won't give two figs about it and if they start giving him trouble on trade etc then he won't help the EU bureaucrats out and it will all be over.

7Days · 31/01/2016 00:41

Claig - you said all this about Farage a couple of years ago. Nothing has changed.

adidah · 31/01/2016 00:59

The UK has a pm who has allegedly had intercourse with a pigs head. His gone against the public and townsfolk in power. The poor is getting poorer , yet the rich is getting stupidly rich and powerful at an excessive rate. We should start looking at our own country first.

claig · 31/01/2016 01:02

Yes because farage is not very powerful and he has not got the curage that Trump has got. Trump, has nerves of steel, he has disdain for the political class and he intends to change things for the benefit of America. If he becomes President of the most powerful country on the planet, he will change lots of things.

The Establishment was scared of the rise of UKIP and the fact that they won the Euro elections, so the media was set on them and the rent-a-mobs were set on farage in order to brand him racist etc and stooges were placed in UKIP to cause splits and make them look stupid. UKIP is not the same as Trump and the Republican Party.

If Trump wins, the whole world will have to listen and that is why

"Davos elite alarmed at prospect of nominee Trump"

www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-trump-elite-idUSKCN0UZ2MD

They are not alarmed by Farage, Corbyn or Sanders, but they are very alarmed by Trump because will roll back their plans.

claig · 31/01/2016 01:05

'We should start looking at our own country first.'

There is nothing we can do, they are all in it together. They are all PPEs from Oxford - Blair, Miliband, Mandelson, Cameron, Osborne and probably lots more. It's a game.

But a Trump victory in America will change the world and that will change Europe and every country because it will be a defeat for Davos and their plans.

Veritat · 31/01/2016 01:10

Yes because farage is not very powerful and he has not got the curage that Trump has got

That's the direct reverse of what you were saying in April, claig. And doubtless when Trump sinks without trace you will be saying the same again, but substituting the name of Trump for Farage, and the name of whoever the latest right-wing nutjob is for Trump.

claig · 31/01/2016 01:19

'That's the direct reverse of what you were saying in April, claig'

I didn't say that, I didn't expect Farage to become Prime Minister and get more seats than Labour or the Conservatives. I didn't expect a one-man band party backed by the good people in the People's Army to beat the Establishment parties. What I said was it might be the beginning of the demand for PR voting because 1 seat for 4 million UKIP voters is not fair, considering there were only 8 million Labour voters in total. But that didn't happen and will never happen because the Establishment won't allow it. I said that if there was PR voting then UKIP would defat the Conservative Party because they are led by Etonians from Oxford and UKIP is backed by the People's Army. But there won't be PR voting so things will stay as they are and the people will keep getting poorer as the rich metropolitan elite get richer.

But now amazingly enough the People's Army looks across the Ocean and sees a politically incorrect billionaire who calls the political class "puppets" and says "this global warming BULLSHIT has got to stop" and who is way ahead in the polls and who has Davos and the elites in a panic. The People's Army can't believe what they are watching. They never thought this could happen and nor did Davos. But it is not a dream, it is real and we are going to win. Trump 2016!

Veritat · 31/01/2016 01:24

They are all PPEs from Oxford - Blair, Miliband, Mandelson, Cameron, Osborne and probably lots more.

Blair: Jurisprudence
Osborne: Modern History

As for the "probably lots more":
Brown: History at Edinburgh
Harman: Politics at York
May: Geography
Campbell: French and German
Gove: English
Fallon: Classics and Ancient History at Edinburgh
Duncan Smith: no University degree
Grayling: History
Johnson: Literae Humaniores

Hmmm.

claig · 31/01/2016 01:30

They had Arron Banks on Channel 4 News the other day. He is one of the billionaires who backs UKIP. He said he is anti-elitist and said he wanst to give the Establishment a kicking. But dream on. It won't happen because they have much more money than him and to make real change you need real courage and very few people have it and money can't buy it.

Trump has got that courage. Bloomberg is richer than Trump, but he is nothing compared to Trump because Bloomberg is politically correct and doesn't have the hal of Trump's courage. Trump is unique and he can do it, he can even beat Davos and they know it which is why "Davos elite alarmed at prospect of nominee Trump".

Davos won't be summoning Trump to their events and Trump won't be summoned to a global warming jamboree with all the other bureaucrats and administrators of the world. Trump told Davos "this globalwarming BULLSHIT has got to stop" and by all acoounts, they are in pieces. It's Trump 2016!

claig · 31/01/2016 01:32

'Blair: Jurisprudence'

Are you sure about that? That sounds like an oxymoron.

claig · 31/01/2016 01:38

You're right, I was wrong about Osborne. He did History not PPE.

Veritat · 31/01/2016 01:44

Oxymoron? Do you know what that means.

Yes, I am sure about Jurisprudence. It's the Oxford name for a Law degree.

claig · 31/01/2016 01:46

'Oxymoron? Do you know what that means.'

Isn't it something like Blair and integrity, two things miles apart?

claig · 31/01/2016 01:49

You're right, Blair hasn't got a PPE either. Amazing. I thought they all had one.