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Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

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shebird · 21/01/2016 16:57

What a pair. Her endorsement speech yesterday was just bonkers - words just fail me when it comes to Donald Trump.

Is this the best America has to offer?

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DoctorTwo · 28/01/2016 20:26

Raw Story reported that Trump had tomatoes thrown at him whils on stage yesterday. My only regret is the man who threw them took them out of the tin.

claig · 28/01/2016 20:38

Roger Stone, Trump's former adviser, is on the Alex Jones Show on infowars.com before he goes on Megyn Kelly later tonight after the Establishment debate.

Alex Jones says we are seeing the beginning of the end of the mainstream media as Trump has proved that the mainstream media no longer runs the agenda.

claig · 28/01/2016 20:40

Mike Hucakabee and Rick Santorum are turning up at the Trump event. Estimates that 40-50 million viewers may be watching Trump. There may be more endorsements for Trump. Fox News in pieces, totally outplayed, the whole of the USA seems to be stumping for Trump!

claig · 28/01/2016 20:45

Roger Stone says a TV spot 2 days ago on Fox for the debate was going for $300,000. Today it is reported to be going for about $70,000 without Trump there.

Bill O'Reilly, probably Fox's top host, was almost begging Trump to reconsider last night in an interview. Trump, as per usual, was having none of it. Brilliant! Trump 2016!

claig · 28/01/2016 20:47

Roger Stone says "they are wetting their pants at a Trump presidency, because all their globalist plans for world government will be over " Grin

Stump for Trump! The USA is back. Their game is up.

claig · 28/01/2016 20:56

Roger Stone says it took him a long time to figure out that "both parties are in it together".

Gordon Bennett! (and I don't mean the former Labour leader). He should have asked me, I could have told him that years ago! That's why I am stumping for Trump!

claig · 28/01/2016 21:39

Even the politically correct Guardian has to take their hat off to Trump

"Unorthodox Trump smashes Fox News influence over rightwing media

His ability to break the network’s grip over conservative punditry has sparked breathless headlines across the web – and rewritten the media landscape"

www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jan/28/donald-trump-fox-news-conservative-media-influence

Here is the New Yorker

"Donald Trump’s Hostile Takeover of the G.O.P.
...
Donald Trump’s attempt at a hostile takeover of the G.O.P. is astonishing in its breadth. He is not just competing against a large field of candidates for votes in the primaries; he is at war with nearly every power center in the Republican Party—and he is winning.
...
Fox News has long been considered the most influential news organization for conservatives. In an e-mail newsletter today, the longtime Republican consultant Alex Castellanos called Fox “the most powerful Republican institution in contemporary American politics” and “the stage on which Republicans play.” He added, “Most Republican candidates kneel before it, supplicants hoping to sip airtime from its chalice.” No matter how unfair the coverage, few Republican candidates dared to launch the kind of assault that Trump and his aides have initiated. It was considered a death sentence in a Republican primary.
...
Still, this time, things may really be different. Trump, at the moment, rather than trying to ingratiate himself with the power brokers of his adopted Party, is trying to destroy them. What’s astonishing is that it’s working."

www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/donald-trumps-hostile-takeover-of-the-g-o-p

I think we may be witnessing one of the most amazing moments in history. The complete checkmating and take-down of elites in history. Only a billionaire with nerves of steel could do it, only in America could it happen as the people are so independent-minded and freedom loving, and it will have effects across the world as puppets tremble on their perches.

DoctorTwo · 28/01/2016 23:59

I have made 3 posts on this thread today (including this one) and claig has made 14. None of which actually say anything.

Don't forget, Trump is the man who said of Megyn Kelly "she was bleeding from her eyes, she was bleeding from her wherever."

So you endorse what he said claig? Let's face it, he's racist (except when it comes to his wives), he's misogynist, he's a shit businessman, he's a coward for not facing Ms Kelly, he's as thick as mince, he's got Palin, the only politician more stupid than him, as running mate, and he's a bully. America, fuck yeah!

Veritat · 29/01/2016 00:04

Ah, Rick Santorum. That brings back happy memories of the apt neologism to which he so kindly gave his name - santorum definition

Veritat · 29/01/2016 00:07

I think we may be witnessing one of the most amazing moments in history. The complete checkmating and take-down of elites in history. Only a billionaire with nerves of steel could do it, only in America could it happen as the people are so independent-minded and freedom loving, and it will have effects across the world as puppets tremble on their perches.

We aren't witnessing any of that. We are however witnessing a poster who sadly sounds as if she is using torrents of verbiage to delude herself.

claig · 29/01/2016 00:15

I am hyping it up to make the contest more exciting. But I also half believe that this is for real and that Trump will win.

claig · 29/01/2016 00:18

'So you endorse what he said claig?'

No I don't endorse it or endorse him saying he will temporarily ban muslims or lots of other things he has said. But I still like Trump and want him to win. I think he hypes things up to create a buzz and doesn't mean half of what he says. But I do believe that he intends to take down some of the elite.

claig · 29/01/2016 00:33

'I have made 3 posts on this thread today (including this one) and claig has made 14. None of which actually say anything. claig has made 14. None of which actually say anything'

You have made a joke about someone throwing tomatoes at Trump (which is fine), but I have posted a link to America's top conservative talk show host explaining how Trump has owned Fox News by not doing their debate and letting the Republican Establishment and Cruz taking free hits at Trump. I have quoted what Roger Stone, Trump's former adviser, told Alex Jones (two people that most posters have probably never heard of). If you are interested in the American election and the Trump phenomenon then you should listen to Roger Stone because he knows Republican politics inside out and says what Trump's strategy is. I said that Stone told Jones that "they are wetting their pants at a Trump presidency because all their globalist plans for world government will be over". That is why they want to stop him.

I also explained that Trump's realk appeal is the fact that he is not politically correct and is sticking it to the Man.

I also posted that Max Keiser, your favourite, has endorsed Donald Trump because he will be the billionaire to kick the other billionaires out and you said that Max Keiser would never endorse Trump.

Lweji · 29/01/2016 01:18

You do like to quote and repeat soundbites...

claig · 29/01/2016 01:32

'You do like to quote and repeat soundbites...'

Yes because that spreads information. What people are getting from lots of the mainsstream media is not an accuarte picture because they are desperate to stop Trump. But here is another article showing how deep Trump's support is across parties and that the main reason is that "he speaks his mind" (i.e. he is not politically correct). I think the truth is that Trump has outplayed the entire media and Establishment (and will have to be studied in Oxford PPE courses in future even if they would rather study politically correct Blair because Trump is defeating the entire Republican Establishment and Fox News and will defeat the Democrats next and no one has ever seen an outsider run rings around the Establishment like this).

"Donald Trump Is Killing It With White, Working-Class Voters In The Rust Belt
Even among some Democrats

Here are some scary findings for anyone who doesn't support Donald Trump for president.
...
Of the entire Democratic and Republican fields, the most popular single candidate was Donald Trump -- and it wasn't even close.
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A third of the Trump supporters were so loyal that they claimed they would not vote for another candidate if Trump were not the nominee. Not surprisingly, "personality" was a greater factor than policy issues for many Trump backers. Almost half of the Trump contingent said they liked him particularly because he speaks his mind."

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-working-class-voters_us_56aa44d0e4b0d82286d51ffa

And what Roger Stone said explains why they are all so scared of Trump and the FT article with the line "Nativists populists must not win" supports that reasoning.

DoctorTwo · 29/01/2016 07:02

I like Max, true enough, but he's not a patch on Prof Steve Keen or Prof Yanis Varoufakis when it comes to economics.

Man wearing Heil Trumpler shirt arrested after throwing tomatoes at Trump.

Sikh ejected from Trump rally after attempting to display a Stop Hate banner. "He wasn't wearing one of those hats, was he?" asked Trump.

So he 'owned Fox' by not appearing at the debate? I'd say that Fox was largely behind him, given who owns the 'news' channel. I'd also say Trump was poorly advised, as Murdoch owns so much mass media that if it's used against him he'll be trounced. Fox and Murdoch's other media outlets will use Trumps words against him and his redneck army will turn elsewhere, hopefully to Cruz, who is ineligible due to being born in Canada.

I suggest if you want a populist politician who actually will fight for change you get behind Sanders, 'cos Trump has shot himself in the foot.

batshitlady · 29/01/2016 09:00

Yes Trump is obnoxious, odious, crude and vulgar Doctortwo.. My arguement though is that he's no worse than the other candidates, that are more 'acceptable' to the political establishment.

Don't believe the hype is my advice. Whenever someone is being slaughtered in the media look at why that is? Trump is telling the American people that America doesn't have to keep on being the policeman of the world and that they (the voters) are paying through the nose for something that doesn’t benefit them in the least. Neocons understandably see his foreign policy stance as a direct threat to their internationalist project.

Therefore we're getting documentaries called "The Crazy World Of Donald Trump" ! Now how's that for bias? We'll be getting "The Hypocritical world of Hillary Clinton" or "Jeb Bush: his role in the great stolen election of 2004" Sometime soon, do you suppose?

7Days · 29/01/2016 09:22

Everyone thought Trump was all those things before he dipped his toe into politics. It's not the same as HC or JB

batshitlady · 29/01/2016 09:41

In what way isn't it the same as HC or JB?

claig · 29/01/2016 10:16

I like Max, true enough, but he's not a patch on Prof Steve Keen or Prof Yanis Varoufakis when it comes to economics

But this is about politics and power, not economics. Economic policy is decided by politicians, not the other way around.

So he 'owned Fox' by not appearing at the debate?

Absolutely. Pure genius. The way Trump has played the entire campaign will be studied for decades to come at Oxford PPE classes as the world's next generation of politically correct politicians study how someone broke all the rules of their spin doctors, took on the entire Establishment of his on party and Fox News (which is the most powerful cable news channel in
America and hence in the world) and scared the bejeezus of political classes and elites across the planet.

You have to stop listening to the BBC and Cahnnel 4 News who tend to portray Trump as a buffoon, a joke or mad. He is the shrewdest manipulator of the media that there is and he is so confident and fearless that he is challenging every power institution that there is and running rings around them. It is a brilliant operation. There are teams of whizzkids, teenage ones, flown in from top universities across the planet trying to stop Trump and help the elites, but he and his team (who deserve enormous credit and who will be studied on PPE courses for decades to come) are wiping the floor with every whizzkid that is thrown against them.

Here is the Guardian

"Trump just proved: it's possible to win a debate you didn't attend"

The clear winner of the final Republican debate, just four days before the first votes are cast in Iowa, was the Macavity candidate.

Just like the mystery cat, Donald Trump was nowhere near the scene of the crime at the Fox News debate. You could find him on rival news channels, but the damage was already done to poor Ted Cruz: the only candidate who could come close to beating him in Iowa."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/29/donald-trump-republican-debate-winning

Here is Vox News

"Donald Trump won the debate."

www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10866312/donald-trump-won-the-debate

The headlines keep coming and coming about how Trump trounced the lot of them and the elite are waking up this morning with headaches and they are throwing mobile phones around the room as they demand another extra strong coffee to clear their muddled heads. It's not a pleasant sight this morning in elite HQ, reports are that they are like bears with sore heads and are refusing to read any more newspapers this mmorning.

I'd say that Fox was largely behind him, given who owns the 'news'
channel

You've got to stop listening to Channel 4 News and the BBC and understand what is going on. Fox is part of the Establishment. Trump is anti-establishment (which is why Trumpites love him) and the Establishment want to take him down and let a safe pair of hands win.

The original Megyn Kelly question 5 months ago was a question intended to harm Trump - a typical politically correct question that the Clinton campaign would use against Trump. Trump knows the entire Establishment wants to stop him, he understands the game. The reality is that there are probably some secret Trumpites at Fox, even possibly very high up, and there were reports of some leaks from Fox meetings etc. Trump possibly knows in advance what Fox wil do in debates etc. In this debate Fox showed teh candidates on video flip-flopping positions. Trump is on video over the past 30 years supporting lots of liberal positions. He wasn't going to stand on stage and let Fox play all that so that the Establishment candidates (the phoney conservatives) could take hits at him just days before the Iowa caucus. He outsmarted them, skipped the debate and took all the edia coverage off them and humiliated them.

Here is an article in the New York Magazine on how Murdoch and the boos of Fox New, Roger Ailes, are handling the Trump crisis.

"Rupert Murdoch Is Leaving Roger Ailes Alone to Handle the Trump Crisis
...
Rupert Murdoch and his two sons, Lachlan and James, are making sure people know that this crisis is on Roger Ailes. “Rupert is letting Roger handle this,” a source close to Murdoch said earlier on Thursday. Murdoch, according to another source close to the company, is "really upset about this."

What this means is that, at least publicly, the Murdochs seem to want to isolate the PR nightmare to Ailes and Fox. The surreal spectacle of Fox's feud with the GOP front-runner is becoming a test of Ailes’s management abilities at a moment when Fox executives and anchors have noted the Fox chief’s diminished presence at the network.
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Inside Fox, Ailes’s handling of the Trump battle has left some senior executives questioning his judgment"

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/murdoch-is-leaving-ailes-to-handle-trump-crisis.html#

I'd also say Trump was poorly advised, as Murdoch owns so much mass media that if it's used against him he'll be trounced

That is why what Trump has done is so enormous and why A Fox host (who likes trump) said that "Trump has rolled the dice". Fox is supposed to be a conservative network, but real conservatives (not modernisers and not politically correct) think that Fox has some phoney conservatives on there who are politically correct. Fox viewers (real conservatives) by and large love Trumpbecause he is anti-establishment and politically correct and the danger for Fox is that those millions of good, decent conservatives will turn against Fox and see them as phoney conservatives who are part of the Establishment. It is bad news for Fox because they want to influence minds and keep the conservative base on their side. Real conservatives may start getting their information from other right wing news sources. Imagine if Trump opened a news channel himself - Trump News. Real conservatives would be watching that instead and elites would be in pieces.

"Meanwhile, as Ailes battles Trump, he's also facing insurgent attacks from the far right. Fox’s standing on the right has been a focus for Ailes because he built the network for conservatives. When Trump’s feud with Kelly first broke out in August, Ailes called Breitbart News executive chairman Stephen Bannon and lobbied Bannon to keep Ailes’s name off Breitbart. That effort has failed. This morning, Breitbart ran a series of anti-Ailes headlines (“How Trump Beat Roger Ailes at His Own Game,” “Pride Goeth Before the Fall: Ailes Calls Trump’s Wife and Daughter,” “Roger Ailes Put Megyn Kelly’s Interest Ahead of the Country’s”).

For Ailes, the next 24 hours will be critical."

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/murdoch-is-leaving-ailes-to-handle-trump-crisis.html#

Trump is tough as nails and tends to double down. He restarted the twitter feud with the Saudi prince again yesterday by retweeting a tweet which exaggeratedly said that the prince owns lots of Fox.

He also retweeted a twet about Megyn Kelly. He won't cave in to Fox and they know it.

"This morning, senior executives including Clemente and senior VPs Suzanne Scott and Jay Wallace held emergency discussions after Trump retweeted a supporter who had posted a racy photo shoot of Kelly along with the caption “Criticizes Trump for objectifying women…poses like this for GQ Magazine.”

Ailes, according to the source, seemed unsure how to respond. “He’s really upset and doesn’t know what to do,” the source said. “They see those pictures as a big wound to Megyn. They’re putting it out there that she’s this serious journalist, and then she poses like that. Can you imagine a picture of Maureen Dowd doing that? Maureen knows not to do that.”

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/murdoch-is-leaving-ailes-to-handle-trump-crisis.html#

I suggest if you want a populist politician who actually will fight for change you get behind Sanders

No because I am a conservative, I believe in capitalism and low taxes just like Max Keiser, i agree with Trump that "this global warming BULLSHIT has got to stop" and I like politicians who are not politically correct. I am a Trump fan.

Trump has no respect for the political class, he calls them "losers" and "puppets". He intends to beat them. He outplayed them yesterday and the brilliant Stump for Trump sisters were at Trump's event for verterans last night. They were brilliant, speaking from the heart without any scripts written by teenage whizzkid spin doctors, just the way Trump fan like it.

Excellent speech by the Stump for Trump sisters before Trump spoke

and Trump brought them on again near the end of the show and they were the final guests to appear on the show.

claig · 29/01/2016 10:19

'Neocons understandably see his foreign policy stance as a direct threat to their internationalist project.'

Absolutely, batshitlady. Trump is going to change everything and people will be surprised how good he will be. He is not taking them all on for a laugh, it is a very tough job to do it and he is tough enough to do it.

batshitlady · 29/01/2016 10:47

Bloody hell Claig that's a long post. Has anybody time to read it?

I agree , but it's going to take someone different than Trump to do all that. Trump has blown it I think by his boorishness - by pandering to the prejudices and fears of the electorate, out in the open the way he does.

The other 'acceptable' candidates do that too, but they're more subtle about it. At least he's opened the door to certain ideas and debates and that's welcome... Next POTUS though? I seriously doubt it. Top marks for trying though.

claig · 29/01/2016 11:07

'Has anybody time to read it?'

Well, if they haven't got time, they can skip it. But if they are interested in the biggest election on the planet and how it will change everybody's lives on the planet, then they should stop listening to the BBC and Channel 4 News who mainly portray Trump as a mad bigot.

'Trump has blown it I think by his boorishness - by pandering to the prejudices and fears of the electorate, out in the open the way he does.'

I don't think so. You have to realise how many people are against political correctness, how many people understand that it is a slow path to silencing debate and free speech. Among real conservatives, it is probably the hidden number one issue and Trump needs to win the conservative vote in order to be able to beat Hillary. Conservatives love the way that Trump openly defies the elites, mocks the political class and humilaites the media who tell him he isn't allowed to do this or that. By his bold, beash style, people see that he is not scared of them, that they can't silence him or ban him, and that therefore he will bring real change.

'The other 'acceptable' candidates do that too, but they're more subtle about it.'

They don't. They are much too scared. They pretend they are conservative but they are often politically correct. When Trump starts on Hillary, we will have seen nothing like it. The others wouldn't dare. the media will cry politically incorrect at Trump, but he won't be silenced.

'Next POTUS though? I seriously doubt it'

I think it is coming because America and the world is such a serious economic crisis that some parties wish to resolve by war. Trump has stepped in to "make America great again" and he intends to take down the global elites who want gloabl governance and put America, Americans and their jobs first rather than engage in global wars.

The Financial Times article said
"Nativist piopulists must not win"

Trump has a much more powerful Establishment against him, but from watching how tough and smart he has been, I think he is going to win.

claig · 29/01/2016 11:18

'Davos elite alarmed at prospect of nominee Trump'

uk.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-trump-elite-idUKKCN0UZ2MD

Why would the global elite at Davos be so scared of a fellow billionaire like Trump? It is because as the Financial Times said, he is a "nativist" (i.e he will put America and Americans first) and not play the global governance game. There will be no more global warming kumbayas in Paris when Trump is President. All the global elite's plans will be torn up and shredded. America is back and th Davos elites are "alarmed at prospect of nominee Trump"

batshitlady · 29/01/2016 13:54

Trump goes out of his way to represent something that the others distance themselves from. But will that actually serve him in the long run? When it comes to deciding who America's foremost statesman will be, will it be him? I really doubt it and that gives me mixed feelings...

But if and when Trump succeeds in sidelining the pro war establishment backed candidates then, that alone will have been worth it... That is in the highly – unlikely – event he makes it to the White House.