Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part VI

[HelpTheAnimalsFirst]

Thread 6.

A grandiose claim there, no back peddling from me kesstrell. I have repeated what she said many times. People can read the threads and see for themselves, although the more noxious posts are gone because they were deleted due to their nature.

'However, she seems unable to grasp that the mass of migrants who have entered Europe can contain BOTH refugees and economic migrants, and that among the 800,000 or so young men, many with no documents, it is highly unlikely that none are members of ISIS. No, she would rather make wild accusations that anyone who doesn't hold her own extremely simplistic viewpoint is "dishonest"'.

They are refugees, not migrants. I am sorry you are so afraid but focusing on one group as a source to be fear, suspected and hated is not the answer, it is cowardice.

iknowyouknowiknow

Isn't that a user name ?

Racists, now cowards, what next? Child abusers probably

Thanks to the person who posted the Julie Bindel article on French North African feminists/ Femen. I like julie even more now. Such a brave woman, she really does not scare away from the tricky stuff.

No problems, kess.

All the attacks on Emily (and me when I posted more) seem to go with the idea that the only point of her (us) posting is to derail and stop women from wanting to be safe. I honestly don't get why you think either of us would do that?

It seems completely obvious to me that Emily cares deeply about the experience of refugees and migrants and does not want them to be further attacked on mass in (a misguided and destructive) response to the terrible actions of a few. It is frightening to see how refugees are being treated by some in the uk. While thousands more rot on our border in Calais and Dunkirk. With that in mind, seeing comments on a thread that is in part about migrants, where the original poster has said she won't speak to women wearing a burka is disturbing. Maybe not to you all, but it is to me and clearly is to Emily. You may not agree with our points, you may think we misunderstand yours. But I don't know how you can not appreciate that this is a topic that we care about, find upsetting and disturbing and had got absolutely nothing to do with scoring points.

Not responding to Emily's stuff anymore, it's a waste of energy. Let's not let her output waste this thread's energy and divert everyone from the petition.

People can read the threads and see for themselves

I thought we'd established that it was far too much to ask people to re read previous threads and that was why we were rehashing the exact same conversations again? and again and again

Emily- you are genuinely quite fascinating

That's possibly the most contentious thing said yet.

Easter since your attempt to get people sharing letters and circulating them has been lost in all of this, would it be a good idea to start a fresh thread about the petition and practical action to support it?

I think Emily is nearly done on this thread. Hopefully the petition will be live in the morning.

Do we have #Cologne2016 and gif work to do?

Is everyone happy with what we have?

Yes, huge thanks and to everyone involved.

When the link goes live I will email it out. I'm one of those rare technophobes who doesn't do Facebook or Twitter!

Very happy, look forward to the petition tomorrow. Good work everyone.

Justanother, have you been asking why the German and American posters why their interest in UK democracy because it doesn't affect them? Didn't think so.

Glenn, I haven't lied anywhere and the intention of this thread is perfectly clear. I see you also have a peculiar interest in where I live.

Why do you want to conceal where you live?

Oh dear the tag team back again...
I think we should hold off starting a new thread until we have the petition up and then start a new one with template letters, the gif, hastag etc - ideas of who we can contact to let them know about the petition - so how to find the details of your MP. MEP, MSP. And people in the public eye who we think would be helpful - we should be thinking about these things and getting the info together ready ...
And it would probably better in chat so it gets more traffic ...
Hopefully tomorrow....fingers crossed.

I hope Emily isn't a woman
Going to ignore now
OK can someone talk me through how to make the gif my profile on FB

My name has 1 n, not 2. And I was quite clear, I genuinely don't care. Perhaps you are a tiny bit paranoid there? So we are down to misinterpreting or being goady.

Unlucky, I should have some time tomorrow to pull together some stuff. Happy to do either templates, lists or anything else to help.

Who knows? I would like to know the Utopia that is emilyland though.

I don't have to have a deep understanding of Islam to know when people express hostility and hate toward them and want to popularise nasty stereotypes about them.

Like you did about the French then Emily?

Twisted, one person spoke about not wanting to speak to someone in a burka(and it was a little more nuanced than that), Emily and you haven't differentiated between refugees and migrants until very recently (coincidentally) and the 'rot on our borders' is a whole other argument involving economic migration and the Dublin/shengan agreement.

This isn't an either or argument and as has been discussed over 5 threads is far more nuanced than 'let them all in/refuse entry to all', however that doesn't mean focusing attention and admitting that a 'large proportion' of recent immigrants has contributed to the widespread reports from Northern Europe over the past two weeks should not be discussed.

As you say actions of a few should not represent all, but for some reason when the far right take hold of the narrative (and let's face it Britain first and pegdia etc are still minority view ) it is somehow conflated onto the rest that voice concern.

Struggling for the correct narrative,

How many posts of yours have been deleted now Emily?

You must be breaking records by now

I've been lurking on here since post 1 on 1st thread. I spend every evening catching up. It's all I read on MN these days, such is the speed of this thread.

Can someone please post the gif so I can make it my FB pic? I'm sure if I do others will follow.

Glen and night that is good of you.

The gif I think, was at the end of thread 4.

The alternative is talking to the husband and our marriage is better when we are both on laptops ignoring the other

I think we should hold off starting a new thread until we have the petition up and then start a new one with template letters, the gif, hastag etc - ideas of who we can contact to let them know about the petition - so how to find the details of your MP. MEP, MSP. And people in the public eye who we think would be helpful - we should be thinking about these things and getting the info together ready ...
And it would probably better in chat so it gets more traffic ...

Brilliant unlucky thank you. I'll look out for it tomorrow!

Just- I really didn't think it was more nuanced than that.
I also agree with Emily pointing out about the horrible comments from whoever it was about the refugees in Calais not cleaning up. It felt so dehumanising and cruel to people (including children) who have nothing - and for what possible good purpose? And there have been other horrible comments that really could add to additional hatred. Nobody else has picked up on them- although I do agree that it is not everyone making these comments.

The refugees rotting on our borders situation is not just because of issues about economic migrants- it really isn't. I don't even think that's controversial to say.

You say that it is not either/ or and in theory I would like to agree with you. But having been called a troll many times, having it said that what I say should be ignored, had the piss taken out of my comments many times and when I said I spent time in Calais with refugees, having it asked whether I 'offered them my vagina' all without any challenge from anyone apart from Emily- I'm not so sure. At least not here on this thread.