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Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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hiddenhome2 · 12/01/2016 23:03

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HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 13/01/2016 11:51

I have to break off now to go and feed the squirrels and then watch a bit of The Bill.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 11:57

Vertigo which section in talk is women's rights on MN

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 12:02

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35300266

About the Sweden festival cover up

Moreshabbythanchic · 13/01/2016 12:03

I had an acknowledgement of my sent email but it will take up to 2 weeks until I get a reply as he is very busy. Dog poo issues no doubt.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 12:05

So did anyone listen to women's hour?

emilybohemia · 13/01/2016 12:06

Ipost

'I think we are legion. Those who are ignored when they protest, body and soul, at any minority, more at risk group being hurled under the bus in the defence of the indefensible'.

I think you are mistaken. The number of people that want to focus on one group of people as responsible for attacks and possible future attacks on one group, is quite small actually. Many of the women protesting in Cologne have not directed attention at any 'group' except men that attack women and the system that does not address sexual violence.

Women's outrage at sexual violence has been ignored for years. It is nothing new. Saying it is ignored because of race is incorrect. It is ignored because the police, courts and society do not take enough action and blame women for attacks. Not unifying against all public sexual attacks against women, regardless who they are committed by, is hurling women under the bus. By making the attacks by certain men of special importance or a worse kind of threat, you denigrate the attacks done by others

'Far from calming things down, those who wish to cover up, make great leaps of mitigation, deflect and deny are acting as tinder being hurled at sparks in the vicinity of a ruddy great keg of black powder. In that respect they are no different from the sections of the media who would employ deliberately inflaming reporting'.

Noone has denied. They just don't want to polarise the argument against sexual violence against women around race because it doesn't help. Focusing on the sexual violence and lack of action by courts and police does help, as does addressing misogyny. Noone is deliberately inflaming but people like you that try to rationalise racism and make racist generalisations seem 'common sense.'

You are not as far as the extreme right as you seem to think.

Constancegardner · 13/01/2016 12:11

Despicable, yes, I listened to WH. Tweeted to thank them for covering it too.
Odd comment by one contributor, who seems to think it was orchestrated by Pegida etc. Apart from that it was ok, much needed but this covers so many issues, as we know, censorship, freedom of movement, stifling of debate, etc that it just was not long enough.

ItsJustaUsername · 13/01/2016 12:16

No response yet from Mr Davies or my own MP and MSP. Have just emailed all Scottish MEP's urging them to open up debate on the erosion of women's rights and the consequences of that. Will report back any responses I get.

emilybohemia · 13/01/2016 12:16

That was meant to say, 'not as far from the extreme right' of course.

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 12:17

I'm watching PMQT. Nothing yet.

Woman's Hour 'it's a far right conspiracy and it happens at most pop concerts, now shush.'

Disgrace.

iPost · 13/01/2016 12:18

I think you are mistaken

And given that I consider you a significant part of the problem, with potentially a self serving, covert intension to block the route to any kind of solution, your opinion regarding my accuracy matters to me not one whit.

kesstrel · 13/01/2016 12:22

Re Women's Hour,I found the German woman's suggestion that the far right in Germany could have paid thousands of men to commit these crimes totally bizarre! Does she really think that this wouldn't come out, particularly from the men who were arrested? The far right may be stupid, but I doubt they are that stupid. Well, if it's true, we'll find out soon enough!

TheNewStatesman · 13/01/2016 12:26

It was pathetic, wasn't it, Kesstrel?

bluebolt · 13/01/2016 12:29

Even with her logic that the far right paid for their services, those involved still sexually attacked women.

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 12:30

It was worse than pathetic, it was disingenuous smoke and mirrors which, coupled with the assertion that this happens at all 'pop gatherings' means they have both dismissed concerns about cultural terrorism and not contravened any BBC agenda.

kesstrel · 13/01/2016 12:30

The points made, on the Women's Hour discussion, about the problems of a demographic surge of young males, regardless of ethnicity/culture, reminded me of another cover-up: the way the BBC and Guardian tried to cover up the proportion of young men in the people walking the roads last August/September. Lots of talk about families and children; it was left to people looking at the photographs to realise and comment on the very high number of young men, and even then the issue was still completely ignored. Given what sociologists know about the potential problems of such a disproportion of men to women, this also looks like serious media irresponsibility.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 13/01/2016 12:33

There were far fewer families in the Aljazeera coverage. Some scenes of aggressive male groups that never made it to general BBC reports at the same time.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 13/01/2016 12:34

I thought a lot of the points were fair on women's hour but I missed the start.

kesstrel · 13/01/2016 12:37

The other thing that disgusted me was Joan Smith's absolute certainty that Rotherham had nothing to do with cultural attitudes to white women/girls. Contrast that to what Muslim feminist Yasmin Alibi-Brown had to say about it:

"Within some British Asian circles, the West is considered degenerate and immoral. So it’s OK to take their girls and ruin them further."

The article is very hard-hitting, and worth a read: www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal-apologists-misogyny-and-double-standards-9692497.html

Amazing how so many non-Muslim women are so certain they know more about such issues than Muslim feminists do.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 12:38

At least it was discussed on women's hour

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 12:40

The Rotherham abuse of white girls was terrible, went on for ten years because people didn't want to discuss it for fear of being branded as racist,

VertigoNun · 13/01/2016 12:40

At least it was discussed on women's hour

Yes and I would like more discussion.

Nothing from PMQT. Angry

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 12:56

Sonya Polish TV opened my eyes to the disproportionate number of young men versus women and children and old men.

They also covered riotous violent scenes at railway stations that the British media denied were happening.

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