Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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Thread V

way back I posted that I'd emailed my MP about this. Despite being in the middle of chemotherapy, she's taken the time to send me a personal and thought out response, and said she'll be shortly putting something on her blog. So, a thank you to Thangham Debonnaire, (Labour, Bristol West)

Point out the news article that Women feel so unsafe in Germany they are now anti refugee, and the leave Europe refurendum implications. labour want to stay

I will message her myself.

Just found this new thread, good to see most of you, well except Emily I see he/she is still lurking, be strong and ignore!

I was investigating ways to write to my MLA last night, and thinking now that we had a lady first minister NI was looking progressive, when I came across this little quote from one of are MLAs wishing our new First Minister luck:

her most important job remained that of a wife, mother and daughter

Grrr. What hope have we got. I'm trying to find a local MLA who isn't a Christian religious zealot.

Vertigo, how do know women are now anti refugee in Germany? You don't speak for them. Many of them were protesting about Germany society's inaction on sexual violence, then they joined the refugees welcome counter demo against Pegida.

"So, a thank you to Thangham Debonnaire, (Labour, Bristol West)"

Thangham Debonnaire.

Put it on twitter #cologne where it will get traffic

According to Berliner Zeitung, Lidos in Munich are planning a social media campaign to educate male migrants from misogynist cultures with cartoon style posters featuring instructions in Arabic and German to discourage them from sexually harassing female visitors.

www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik/-schwimmbad-baderegeln-muenchen-comics-sote-fluechtlinge,10808018,33513044.html

The cartoons portray women in bathing attire (ranging from bikini to burkini) conveying that grabbing their bottoms is not allowed, whatever they are wearing. Got that?

Even if you can't read German, it's worth looking at the cartoon images of the campaign.

Right, I have written to my MP who is currently in court on expenses charges! And the 2 Northern Irish female MPs. Hopefully I'll get some sort of response from them.

I was glad to hear this discussed on Woman's Hour, finally.

I thought the notion that the far right had paid these men to do it was just plain silly.

I thought the sociologists comments about crowd behavior and the danger of sex ratio imbalances were compelling. It is definitely something to consider when shaping policy.

It made it clear that most of the perpetrators were Morrocan or Algerian not actually Syrian. Why would these guys qualify for asylum at all?

It refocused my attention on the fact that Merkel's blunder has landed us all with a problem, but also that the most vulnerable refugees have basically been abandoned.

I agree, our daughters will have to be extremely savvy, cautious, trained in martial arts etc.. However their wings will be clipped, I never thought this before now, but considering the cover up of assaults on women all over Europe for the sake of political correctness, we are heading for some sort of dark ages

very sadly I agree with you.

Well done all those writing to MPs. Let's keep naming them so we can all see who's taking women's rights seriously.

I wondered up thread about where/how we could start collating links, contacts, template letters, ideas.

Anyone had any thoughts? I've kept a file with all the links to articles and just sent it to a friend who has called me in tears wondering how she could have missed all this.

I think it's easily done if you're busy and listening to the (heavily censored, skewed) news with one ear.

One central resource for people to read at their leisure.

I'm inviting 30 women to mine and asking each of them to email ten other influential or just interested people. Not just women, of course. My DH is also discussing what can be done and I have suggested he email our MP too.

Any father reading these reports and watching those images should be encouraged to actively involve himself in safeguarding the future security and freedom of his daughter(s).

2016, people can apply for asylum if they are in danger or being persecuted. So someone can apply for asylum without being from a war zone, they just need to be in danger where they are presently.

Many refugees have been abandoned anyway by EU policy and refusal to take quotas. Cameron only wants 20,000 over 5 years and I think this has more to do with their abandonment. Germany did it's best.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vkktf Sexual assaults in the dark ages.

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I've just tried reading Thangam Debonnaire's piece. It appeared on her website with a headline on the lines of "It's possible to defend women's rights and the rights of refugees" but I had to log in to view it, and in the time it took me to log in, it had disappeared. Has anyone else read it?

Of course it might just have been taken down to correct a spelling mistake, and will reappear shortly...

She may have edited it for spelling or a new idea may have occurred to her after she published.

Has anyone written to the women's minister yet? I'll email both my mp and the womens minister this evening when I can get on my laptop.

Also, is it worth tweeting links to this thread to the celebs who campaign against sexual violence, I'm thinking Emma Watson , Angelina Jolie types? I don't do social media so not sure if it's doable?

Emily you write well and I am with you in terms of not stereotyping people etc. I know you and I are not seeing eye to eye on many most issues discussed on these thread.

However, you have articulated yourself well throughout and I do respect your efforts to challenge racist thinking.

I am still annoyed that you seem to have an agenda which you haven't openly shared. Never mind.

Because you are obviously familiar with some of these issues, may I ask you what you would do in order to address Taharrush and other sexual assault by migrants who have not yet learned not to grope women in Europe? This is a genuine question as you seem to know the demographic well.

Note, I am not saying all migrants are doing this. Some are. Some of these are doing it because in their home countries it is ok to grope.

If individuals from countries where groping is commonplace and socially acceptable, harass women in Europe where such behaviour is not socially acceptable, what would you suggest can be done to address this constructively? tia.

YY to Emma Watson and Angelina

*Some of these are doing it because in their home countries it is ok to grope.
Of course it is never ok, what I mean is 'it is socially acceptable'

How do you pronounce Taharrush?

The problem is amplified by a lack of transparency when these awful crimes are committed by ethnic migrants. Police do not want to deal with crimes by this population group. German media are beginning to talk about it at last

Lets face it we dont have it anyway before we come to crimes committed by ethnic migrants and what they do in their own countries is beyond imagining.

Vertigo It is transliterated from Arabic spnthere usnt always consistent tah'r-oush would be how I'd say it but I wouldn't get too bogged down.

and there

What a linguist!