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Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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hiddenhome2 · 12/01/2016 23:03

Thread V

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Inkanta · 13/01/2016 15:14

'It is a much kinder way of communicating that women are equal in Europe than letting them find out from the business end of a jackboot.'

Exactly - preferable to a jackboot, thick ear, smack in the face or broken leg ....if they continue to grope women.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 15:15

Olivepip which influential people are you going to email

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 15:16

Yes Emma Watson, we should contact her

WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 13/01/2016 15:17

help I like the idea of very wealthy person hiring hot shot lawyers.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 15:18

Who is the woman's minister?....didn't even realise there was one😕

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 15:18

I really have to dash but why don't we continue to compile lists and any email addresses/twitter contacts that are in the public domain and every single one of us can send a letter so that our volumes speak, er, volumes.

Also, name and shame the MOs who aren't supporting women's rights.

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 15:19

MPs, ffs.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 15:23

I'm so glad this thread is actually going somewhere, and people are taking action
.....inspite of Emily trying to stop us😕

Pinkchampchoccies · 13/01/2016 15:26

Olive Would you mind if people used the letter you have written to send to relevant politicians? thank you.

Constancegardner · 13/01/2016 15:26

Willbeat, I wish I felt as wholeheartedly as you do in one of your earlier posts at the law is on our side, 'the law will support us'.

Hasn't a mainstream judge taken a place on a Sharia court? These belief structures are slowly inveigling their way into our establishments, which often had some way to go themselves with regards to the rights of women etc. The Law Society last year wanted to incorporate Sharia into inheritance law, how write wills which would comply with Sharia and still be admissible to mainstream courts.
Slippery slope, thin edge of the wedge etc.

Constancegardner · 13/01/2016 15:31

Just a suggestion, we now have elected Police and Crime Commissioners, you can find yours www.apccs.police.uk.

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 15:32

pink not at all, I'd be delighted.

Also happy for posted to pm drafts to me as a couple have done always happy to help with wording if useful.

despicable hear hear

kesstrel · 13/01/2016 15:34

Constance But it was good to see that the fight against it was being led by a male lawyer called Sadikar Rahman, from the Lawyers Secular Society!

WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 13/01/2016 15:36

Constance I know we have a long long way to go, but we are slowly getting there.

DV is taken seriously and its all slowly being un covered now. But still a long long long way to go.

I am shocked that The Law society wants to get sharia law into Uk main stream, gobsmacked.

I often feel the group that shouts the loudest gets noticed. Time to start screaming.

I was heartened by Newnight man however he did make it very very clear " we must talk about this musn't we"

I thought he was on our side? Maybe we should email him too?

emilybohemia · 13/01/2016 15:37

Willbeat, ¨'If this is the case, why on earth add to the problem?' I suppose the question is, are you significantly adding to the problem? The attackers are a tiny proportion and don't represent a million refugees. Also, it doesn't seem many of the attackers are recent arrivals. A number were already known to the police. I don't accept immigration is adding to the problem.

Inkanta, I'm not trying to get anyone to feelsorry for the perpetrators. I amcommenting on the nature of 'fighting back' that is going on.

Champ, if the cartoons are aimed at all men and disributed widely it can't be a bad idea. I think sending the message loud and clear to all gropers, flashers, would be sex attackers is important. I have questions on the extent to which men can be educated out of this kind of behaviour, but it sounds ,like a good start. It may be that different kinds of men need different kinds of education, but this an opportunity to target all kinds of men. They all have it common that they feel entitled to do this in numerous public places anyway.

This kind of campaign should be supported by police. They need to make it clear that there is zero tolerance. That should have started with the speech by the mayor with a clear strategy, but they missed the opportunity. This is why I don't think it is just a cover up because of race or culture etc. They haven't exactly made a song and dance about attacks before.

However, while there are opportunities for everyone to learn about equality and progress, inequality itself isn't the sole cause of these attacks. Many will accpet equlaity over time but it is focusing on the further causes of those that go a step too far that is important too.

I read that these assaults flourish in climates where there are few consequences for attacks. Does Germany provide clear consequences for sex attackers? It seems not. So a campaign surrounding consequences, publicity regarding sentencing etc would be good.

I believe that often in court in Germany, attackers often have to prove that they had to fight off their attacker in order to get a conviction. This is a ridiculous state of affairs. How could any woman fight off those attackers? Why is it her responsibility to do so? The women there are everywhere else should not be made responsiblefor their attacks. So attitudes to rape need to change too in order to get more men convicted and make those clear messages about consequences stick.

WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 13/01/2016 15:38

However inspight of all that, we must make it clear to anyone coming here to live - women have equal rights and the LAW IS ON OUR SIDE.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 15:38

'In Denmark, Lars Sloth, the director of the children and families unit in the town of Thisted, told news agency Ritzau that several young women have felt 'unsafe on the streets' after being accosted.'

Women have also encountered problems on dance floors in the southern Jutland towns of Sonderborg and Hadersle

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 15:39

Adding women's groups in Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, Finland to the lists.

Plus any journalists who are writing about this too.

Pinkchampchoccies · 13/01/2016 15:40

"I often feel the group that shouts the loudest gets noticed. Time to start screaming."
Aye

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 15:42

Yes we should talk to other women in Scandinavia

LumelaMme · 13/01/2016 15:47

Jewish law contains an interesting concept: dina d'malchuta dina: the law of the land is the law. In other words, the national law has to be obeyed.

A quick resort to Wiki tells me that "Origins of this idea come from Jeremiah's letter to the Babylonian exiles: "seek the peace of the city to which I have exiled you and pray to the Lord in its behalf; for in the peace thereof you shall have peace." (Jeremiah 29:7)". British Jews - at least in most Orthodox services - pray weekly for the Queen and the Government. In an otherwise Hebrew service, this bit will be in English to make the point to any visitor that they are loyal subjects.

Obviously (before somebody jumps on me) not every Jew is super-duper deluxe law-abiding, but the vast majority are, and that is the principle that has underlain life in the Jewish diaspora for thousands of years. And despite this, Jews have maintained a strong and distinct identity (at least, they have when the non-Jews have let them get on with it, and not carried out campaigns of forced assimilation or obliteration).

Food for thought there, I think, though rather off-topic.

Inkanta · 13/01/2016 15:48

'I read that these assaults flourish in climates where there are few consequences for attacks. Does Germany provide clear consequences for sex attackers? It seems not. So a campaign surrounding consequences, publicity regarding sentencing etc would be good.'

Good point Emily. They seem too cautious and rather slack in Germany.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 15:48

www.theaustralian.com.au/business/wall-street-journal/slam-the-door-on-men-and-muslim-misogyny-after-cologne-assaults/news-story/be252493ed202baccfa354b81bf0faed

'A 2013 Pew survey of Muslim views on women’s rights found that only 22 per cent of Egyptians and 14 per cent of Iraqis thought that women should have a right to divorce their husbands, while fully 92 per cent of Moroccans and 87 per cent of Palestinians thought a wife must always obey her husband'

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 13/01/2016 15:55

We could ADD:
Glenda Jackson
Nick Ferrari
Richard Littlejohn
Melanie Phillips
Jeremy Clarkson (I kid you not)
Madonna
Katie Hopkins (why not)

Ferrari is on radio every morning, Mon-Fri and often speaks out about Hooman Rights being applied to the wrong people. Littlejohn and Phillips have columns.

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