Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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Olivepip59 Wed 13-Jan-16 08:40:18

this was mentioned in a way on Newsnight, re: giving lessons or whatever on the role/equality of women in western society.

It has also been pointed out that many of the perpetrators are Moroccan and Algerian, who have certainly not been through the traumatic experiences of the Syrian refugees. In their case it seems far more likely that a cultural background which devalorises women is more relevant any hypothetical trauma.

Absolutely. I have been to Morroco a few times, I have always spoken very highly of it and the people. Its sad that Moccoron has been mentioned many times recently tied with the terror attacks etc.

I think without a doubt anyone who is coming here as immigrant or refugee needs to be told women are equal here, the law is on our side, and the law will support us.

That goes for other less enlightened EU countries as well, but thats too late.

I think without a doubt anyone who is coming here as immigrant or refugee needs to be told women are equal here, the law is on our side, and the law will support us.

Yes, I agree. Unfortunately actions speak louder than words. So far, what has been communicated in Germany and Sweden is that the police will cover up your crimes for you, the press will ignore and minimise those crimes, and the state will sponsor as far as possible any criticism of this.

It looks dreadful so far.

sponsor = censor

Willbeat that's very interesting, thank you. Although a pp hoped that anyone receiving the message of female European equality would screw it up and throw it in the bin, so not everyone thinks as you do, sadly.

Glenthebattle yes, I emailed Nicky Morgan MP

Dear Ms Morgan,
The recent incidences of taharrush gamea, or organised mob sex attacks, in Cologne, Stockholm, Helsinki and other cities were shocking.

The subsequent media blackout, under-reporting, minimising, victim blaming and rush to blame anyone but the actual perpetrators was both frightening and insulting to women.

The implications to our hard-won equality laws are far-reaching.

It is horrifying of such institutions as the BBC and The Guardian to minimise and cover up such attacks in the name of peace-keeping and anti-racism.

As Rotherham sadly showed, we have long ignored institutional sexism in favour of an illogical so-called anti-racist agenda and it must stop.

As Minister for Women, I urge you to read the concerns and opinions of concerned women of all religious creeds and colours urgently discussing action: CEOs, journalists, teachers, policewomen, mothers, daughters.

This is a link to an intelligent and enlightening discussion on a very influential platform.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2547511-Assaults-in-Cologne-and-other-European-cities-part-V?

We are 50% of the vote and we would like to be listened to now.

May I respectfully request that you address the matter at PMQT on behalf of all UK women?

We would like to know the proactive steps the government intend to take to assure us that, in light of recent mob sex attacks in Europe, our legal rights as women are not being ignored.

We would like details of any educational, vetting and screening and other action the government will take.

We would like to hear the results of Belgian and Norwegian integration programmes focussing on European women's rights and whether our government intends anything similar?

Sadly, I do not need to remind you there are parties who will step into any void created by the government's potential inaction.

David Davies, (Monmouthshire) has today agreed that there is a real threat to equality rights has kindly offered his support.

Many thanks indeed for your attention and for speaking up for our rights.

I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

Very kind regards

Does anyone thing large scale social media campaigns might help?

www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik/-schwimmbad-baderegeln-muenchen-comics-sote-fluechtlinge,10808018,33513044.html

I linked to this upthread, apologies for posting it again just found this approach interesting.

olive, the letter is great.

Great letter Olive

You can hear taharrush jamai pronounced in , around 0:18 in.

It's transcribed as taḥarrush jamāʿī (standard Arabic) or taḥarrush game'a (Egyptian). The "r" is a doubled consonant (written with a shedda symbol) though it doesn't show up in this: تحرش جماعي

Much better than the letter I sent a few days ago!

Saira Khan is missing the point that native European men also grow up in societies where sexism is the cultural norm and heads have been buried about attacks committed by men of all backgrounds

If this is the case, why on earth add to the problem?

Pink yes, it's very clear and negates the need for translation and danger of illiteracy.

I would go further and post it in public areas around stations and places where the dispossessed gather in Europe.

If government won't sponsor it, I'm sure industry or private donors would.

Printed sheets of stickers, pictures of 'don't touch women' cartoons, thousands of the stickers distributed guerrilla -style if necessary, to everyone.

Starting with commuters, school kids? Raise awareness from the ground as well as top down.

Excellent idea, well found.

Do the schwimbad in question have any quantifiable evidence the campiagn is working?

Thanks, Olive.
I'll write to her as well.

Yes, good letter Olive.

'Printed sheets of stickers, pictures of 'don't touch women' cartoons, thousands of the stickers distributed guerrilla -style if necessary, to everyone.'

Great idea Olive!

"Do the schwimbad in question have any quantifiable evidence the campiagn is working?"

That's a great question. I'll check it but I had the impression this is a new campaign. The efficacy will be difficult to prove empirically though.

ItsJustaUsername Wed 13-Jan-16 10:14:01

Indeed but it doesnt surprise me the more I see of Wright the more I view him as a strange robotic double speaker. I saw him cut off a man rudely once because he didn't agree with the callers stance on Corybn, he said dismissively " anyway, what do you know about the Labour party"

The man said " I canvas for the Labour party, and have been door to door during last election talking to people", that shut him up

Olive,

'Willbeat that's very interesting, thank you. Although a pp hoped that anyone receiving the message of female European equality would screw it up and throw it in the bin, so not everyone thinks as you do, sadly'.

When it is presented as a warning in the context of a welcome in packages of clothing on a small note, yes, the best place for it is the bin. Would you donate clothing and attach a note of welcome but warning what will happen when you break the law? They are messages of hope to people in dire straits. The education can come in the correct context when they actually have the opportunity to take it, in the context of integration, although if this education is going to be done,then should it not be cross cultural?

Thank you. Please feel free to copy and send to anyone at all you can think of.

We all have email, it's free and everyone has an address or Twitter account.

Let's ask some of the usually vocal people to speak about this.

Emma Watson
Angelina
India Knight
Caitlin Moran
Emma Thompson
Stephen Fry
Sandy Toksvig

Who else?

Multiples won't matter, in fact it's God to show how very strongly so many of us feel about this.

Have another meeting now but will check in later and thank you to all who understand and offer contributions and support.

it's good

Am thoroughly illiterate today

I sent a slightly modified version to my MEP. Thank you for sharing it.

Maybe add Patrick Stewart to the list? He has spoken out against violence towards women many times. I believe his father abused his mother.

I worry all these people would have too much to lose and would be fearful of taking a stand that might open them up to being called racist.

"although if this education is going to be done,then should it not be cross cultural?"

maybe different men form different cultures need to educated in different ways tailored to their unique circumstances and background.

EMilY what would be a good way to educate the men from countries where it is socially acceptable to grope? How do you think we can communicate this to them? Do you think the cartoons Munich's lido association is distributing is a good way?

Olive, how about the Duchess of Cambridge?

'The education can come in the correct context when they actually have the opportunity to take it, in the context of integration,'

Take it? I would say the migrants in Cologne were perfectly capable of taking it in no uncertain terms. No softly softly approaches - tell it as it is from the start.

Emily - your way of trying to play on women's empathy to feel sorry for perpetrators is not working. Things have gone too far and women are fighting back, and there's no going back now!

Would you donate clothing and attach a note of welcome but warning what will happen when you break the law?

Yes.

In the wake of the recent LEGIDA and PEGIDA reaction in Leipzig, I would argue that it is imperative and in the best interest of any immigrant or refugee to protect himself by understanding clearly what behaviour is unlawful and socially acceptable in his chosen host country.

It is a much kinder way of communicating that women are equal in Europe than letting them find out from the business end of a jackboot.