Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part III

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link to part 2

Keeping this in the spotlight since the mainstream media isn't.

Islam is not a race. It is a religion.
Oh, and finally, I'm sure I pointed that out to you unthread.

I'm sick of the bickering too, Vertigo.
Unfortunately I'm not very good at stepping back.

It's being reported that he registered as a Syrian refugee in Germany last March. But he had registered as an asylum seeker as far back as 2011 in France claiming to be Moroccan. And since then in Germany (a first time pre the one last year), Sweden, Austria, Romania (twice), Switzerland and Italy. God knows how many payments he was receiving from those states. He has claimed (as well as Moroccan and Syrian) to be Tunisian and Georgian.

He could move around through the open borders but there is no system of sharing information or checking who people are and where they've been or what they've been doing. We've utterly lost control. This is madness.

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Ego, I ind it quite sad that you seem to have jumped on the bandwagon.I read your previous posts and they seemed balanced and empty of this hysteria you have now aligned ourself with.

'But...the culture the refugees and immigrants have come from is a culture where men rule. Where women, LGBT people etc are treated as second class. Where Western women are viewed by some as promiscuous.'

This is a sweeping generalisation. Which culture? They come frommany different countries for starters. Which culture? I you refer to the culture of Muslims, it is varies in different countries. If some of the men had been living in Germany for some time, is not the culture of that country a factor too? These kind of attacks seem to occur where patriarchy and misogyny thrive.

'Look what happened in Rotherham.' I'm not sure why the particular focus on Rotherham because the same attacks went on in other cities and were also ignored. Other crimes of a sexual nature were also ignored. It appears that the UK has a long line of victims that were told to go away by the police. I don't think fear of being called racist was responsible for the poor response to those attacks. I think it was misogyny and hatred of women and children, a culture that views girls as women responsible for groups of grown men raping them.

Bloody hell, Billy, if that's true.
I thought 'detailed background checks' were carried out on all refugees/asylum seekers. The behaviour of men like that makes it 100x harder for genuine refugees to find asylum, and it's another gift to the far Right.

Thanks, Vertigo.

This is all terrible. I admit I'm not educated in the race and religions ect. I admit I was thinking open the gates their poor souls save them all.....after this I'd also admit that through fear.....fear of my daughters my response is no close the borders and leave the EU as I don't want what happened in Germany to happen in the country where I live. When the chips are down and it's save them or do what I think will protect my daughters a bit more from this already dangerous world I choose my daughters.

These events have changed my tune rightly or wrongly but as long as it don't happen here...being called racist is a mall price to pay if I think it will save my daughters growing up around men who are bought up to belive females are second class. Close the borders....step back....and know who is coming in unlike Germany. The women there must be scared.

I wouldn't imagine, with the numbers involved, that it's possible to conduct thorough background checks.

I have spoken to Cologne police today about their advice to women about keeping safe on the streets.

They sent me a leaflet about domestic abuse, a leaflet listing myriad names and address of people to go to on the council if I had concerns about myriad different abuse situations and a handout on women's safety.

They don't hand out pepper spray or rape alarms.

They don't recommend carrying pepper spray as it can used against you. When asked what they recommended the policeman told me to carry an umbrella....

And that's it, really.

Oh and this was after my friend was mugged at the train station on Saturday and had her wallet stolen.

So that increased police presence is really making a difference....

An umbrella? Flippin' 'eck

How are your neighbours and colleagues etc. feeling about all this? onthephone

If cologne is purely about savage men, then surely the only answer is not to alter the gender balance any more by accepting any more men. I am for refugees but believe in tackling cultural beliefs. Six children have been married while I post this but why raise at this as all cultures have peodophiles so why highlight one issue if I do not tag all in fear of being called racist. Some of these men have left their child brides behind but as their marriage cannot be recognised (whole can of worms) the bride child is the one left in limbo. Cultural beliefs can only change if challenged but to take responsibility of tackling beliefs away by justification because there are always some else committing similar means nothing changes and gives the abuser more power.

'Islam is not a race. It is a religion'. Often used as a cover for racism.

Racism, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior"

The religion not race assertion is often used to excuse blatant bigotry and to support irrational beliefs and claims that men from the Muslim faith are more dangerous than the Judeo – Christian white western model of worsip.

Muslims come in all shapes and sizes and from all corners of the globe.

I will not be fooled by the ‘I am not a racist because Islam is not a race’ nonsense.

Hi all, just to say we are looking at the reports and reading the thread now.

It's quite fast moving and there are a few different issues bubbling away, so it is taking a little longer than usual.

Thanks for the reports.

Have to say, onthephone, that in terms of self defence I would also recommend a brolly, a long one. The most defensible, practically and legally, weapons are sticks as they can be used to drive people off rather than injure, I've said this on threads on defence under older usernames. But once again, there is nothing, nothing whatsoever, that you - anyone, man or woman - can do when the numbers are so weighted. They have to get a grip on that! The politicians need to wake up and get a grip, the moderate media need to wake up and get a grip, on this whole situation, otherwise half of Europe is going to rip itself apart along the left/ right divide.

Article in Times today about huge gender imbalance now in Syria and the camps. Women are being pimped out to the Gulf as "wives." Article makes it clear it is an arrangement for sex. Another article says a German Justice Minister believes the at racks were organised on social media.
Meanwhile heard the news on radio 4 where German official was translated chiding people for calling officials and media liars.

Ta MNHQ. Good luck with your cogitations.

I would love to know how it is supposed to be possible to do background checks on an individual from a country that is being ripped apart with war and other factors. Really. How?
To think it was even possible to do the thorough background checks is a little baffling. It might be possible to gain a little information but somehow I don't thing information request are that high on the country of origin's to do list.

Emily, are you going to comment at all on the plight of female refugees?

The focus on Rotherham, as opposed to other UK cities, is that there has been an investigation into why the system failed the girls so badly and why the checks and balances at a higher or government level didn't flag that up, and evidence has been found of suppression in multiple agencies of anyone looking into the pattern of those assaults due to the race/culture element. However much certain people would like to deny it, it happened.

That situation is directly relevant to why the Guardian and the BBC haven't given this story the attention it deserves.

Are the police actually showing themselves on the streets? They should be out after these events and out in force. I'd particularly ask women police to be out myself.

emily, I vowed I would not engage with you again, but are you accusing me of being a racist?

I'd particularly ask women police to be out myself.
would police woman be respected though or would it be putting them in increased danger?