Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part III

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link to part 2

Keeping this in the spotlight since the mainstream media isn't.

Puzzled - NO - I refuse to lie down and take this shit.

I refuse to accept 'Migrants are not more sexually aggressivethan any other group.' as a statement of fact. This is simply NOT true. As statistics demonstrate!

We CAN and many of us ARE doing something. Or you can lie down and take it.

Sometimes you need to fight. This is one of those times.

Right wing....

Vertigo - I'm an Irish citizen, so can't participate.

Is there a European equivalent?

In any case, I have been emailing my Irish politicians, even though I'm currently living in the UK.

Regeneration, no, Islam and Nazism do not have much in common. Quite staggering that you make that claim.

Why do you think Islam believes in the inferiority of a certain race? You are generalising widely. Many Muslims don't believe that women should be in the home and covered up. You are making the assumption that ordinary Muslims and groups like Isis share the same worldview.

Wilde - my point is that seeing this as a crime committed by criminal gangs posing as asylum seekers is the way to deal with this.

Viewing this only in terms of sexual assault by men who come from cultures where women are not respected totally misdiagnoses what happened.

Its not about men 'who don't respect women' because of their cultural background. That suggests all we have to do is change their attitudes.

Likewise it is not about 'clamping down on asylum seekers' because that traps the utterly desperate refugee in a war zone.

They are just criminals. Lets treat them as such. I am advocating closing EU borders to all but carefully vetted refugees who bring key skills and proof of being able to find work, strict application of law, dropping the 'WWII guilt' and holding all other refugees in camps until they can return to where they came from. If this had happened then the Cologne assaults would not have happened.

What are you advocating as a practical solution?

I think the main issue not is not so much whether or not migrants are more sexually aggressive than others but why is no one doing anything about a group of peoples mass sexual assault? We have been betrayed by the very people who should be outraged and lobbying on our behalf. The Feminists and the left wing press. People I believed in.

www.petitions.ie

Islam calls non-muslims kaffar or infidels. They're not racist. They're bigots.

HelpTheAnimalsFirst yes i am aware of that. What the clothes they were wearing is irrelevant. A choice of clothes does not say assault me. The fact that the response of politicians was to imply this utterly terrifies me. Victim blaming and potential victim blaming which is why I compared it to the we believe you campaign.

Forgive me if i have mis interrupted what you meant by that statement and feel free to clarify. Might be a while monitoring two individuals who require regular but not constant attention. Especially with the speed the thread is going.

If we could coordinate similar language in both petitions that would be helpful.

It is about men who don't respect women due to their cultural background, that's exactly what it is.

Sometimes you need to fight. This is one of those times

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but I also believe that nobody in a position to make any real difference is listening; sadly, the entrenched and all-encompassing drive to quench the necessary debate is still just too strong, as we've seen in the reaction from the media and more

One day it will have to happen, but I think it will take more than is happening now to shake those entrenched positions - a lot more

"We've seen this before. There's a
master race. Now there's a master faith."

Benjamin Netanyahu

ABetaDad1 how about getting the authorities to fully admit this has happened, the answer being to deal with the culprits, not blame the victims and to not tell other women they need to make sure they don't to anything to get raped? How about getting the authorities to account for why they would rather say nothing happen than to deal with the culprits?

Because without that. Your proposed action won't happen. In order to deal and resolve a problem you must first admit there is a problem.

Right back and ready for the fight ...
We need someone to do something for facebook to kept in the media spotlight ...so an appeal again for anyone who is good or knows anyone who is good at things like designing an overlay - maybe the German flag with the 2 (female symbol I can't do on this keyboard) 16 at the bottom?
Or any better ideas
Looking at the women's protest a lot of rainbow flags etc -maybe the lesbian community in Germany would be a good place to look? Don't understand enough german not be putting my foot in it - and Google turns some unsavoury stuff in 'german lesbian groups' search but for German speakers what are these people like nrw.lsvd.de/ ?
I have also just come across this article www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/01/after-cologne-we-cant-let-bigots-steal-feminism
It is making me want to scream ...
especially this comment
This is not the first time a European city administration has responded to an outbreak of sexual violence by blaming the women.
makes me want to ask the author to specify exactly when and why that was? Have I missed something?

It'll happen when we're on the verge of civil war puzzled but then the issues will be buried and lost amongst the violence, fear and aggression.

abetadad the way to deal with it would be for everyone to say that this is not acceptable for anyone to commit assault. What has happened is that the press, politicians, media outlets and leftwing lobby groups have made excuses after excuses, have refused to discuss and address the issues, we suspect because the vast majority of the criminals were muslims whether asylum seekers or 2nd and 3rd generation.

I happen to agree with you, hiddenhome - it's exactly what I'm most fearful of

Unlucky, I've changed my fbk icon to German flag

The worst part is all the cover up, the police, the mayor, the media, just because of the fears of talking about assylum seekers, race etc, it should be brought out in the open, not swept under the carpet like Rotherham

Wildewoman,

'I refuse to accept 'Migrants are not more sexually aggressivethan any other group.' as a statement of fact. This is simply NOT true. As statistics demonstrate!' Statistics don't demonstrate this not true,your prejudices tell you this is true.

VertigoNun good idea, I had mentioned that before. Ideas Welcome. I have no idea yet what to write and I also want to write to my MP (labour).

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/10/ensure-germany-welcome-refugees-cologne-attacks
Has anyone read the latest guardian article😕
Relates the attackers to its abit like having naughty children
And it says some people get drunk on nye and make a whole lot of mess😕
I can't believe I used to think the guardian was a good read

YesEinsteins - I totally agree.

"In order to deal and resolve a problem you must first admit there is a problem."

Crimes of robbery, assault, rape occurred on a massive scale. Like you and pretty much everyone on the thread is aghast at the inaction of police, covering up by authorities, failure to investigate and report by certain sections of the media.

They were just criminals - that's all.

Its disgusting that is not being said loud and clear and I think there is a lot of reticence from a lot of people to put it that way. A lot of band wagon jumping from all sorts of interested sides on this and the women are not getting justice nor likely to. Politics has taken over.

Ok. Can we work on this attempt to word an Irish/UK petition?

We would like the Government to debate the safety of Women. That Politicians, Police, media, organisations and individuals re examine their attitudes to sexual assaults on Women.

It has been distressing after the New Year events in Germany, to see the extent of minimising and victim blaming to the point there is serious discussion of a cerfew on Women.

Please expand and amend on this starting point ...