Abetadad: Look at the definitions of what can be reported as rape/assult under the law and what you feel should be considered. I suspect that there will be a discrepancy especially if the politicians are saying our laws are wrong and need updating on this matter. Also noeffingidea is right so many are too scared or ashamed to report/press charges.
This is not a thread that feels all immigrant are out to rape our daughters. More a case of why have they covered up the fact that this has happened and that this is linked to an issue that hasn't been properly managed yes I blame the German government somewhat for mismanaging this and also why does the right of women to be safe and not blamed for rape/have told rape is their fault end up being less important.
Most outrageously from this situation is the fact that instead of dealing with the issue women are told that they are to blame because they were out at night and were wearing clothes that would normally be considered culturally acceptible and thus to prevent this they can't go out in the dark, they should be out alone and that they should worry that what they are wearing will cause a man to rape them.
The fact that this does most certainly look to be organised gang targeting of women compounds this. It is giving the green light for it to happen. I have said before I don't give a shiny shit what race the individuals were, yes it does have to be considered. BUT if this is not dealt with it will end up with men in general who are less morally sound taking the green light and following suit. NOT ALL MEN are like this. I had the pleasure of discussing this topic with a man who was fair more black and white on this issue than I am and is disgusted. But there are men who will bow to peer pressure, who haven't the same view of morals/standards and it is these that we need to say strongly to "This is not acceptible and we will deal with you accordingly, and you will not get away with this and there will be consequences.
Am I scared that it will happen in the UK. Yes, yes I am. But that is because of the treatment that I have already recieved in the local city centre. That is because of the issue with human trafficers in the UK, that is the issue because it still has not been dealt with properly in the UK. A woman who has been raped is still made to feel guilty. By the police, the court system and society. But as hard as women, and some men, have been shouting this is not right there is enough of a voice shouting innocence before guilt, well she brought it on herself. That is why we have the we believe you campaign.
IMO this is just an extension of that. We believe that this happened to these women. We believe that this shouldn't have happened. We believe that this shouldn't happen again. We are shocked that we are being told it is our fault and to change our behaviour accordingly. We are shocked that this is not being discussed and was being covered up. Only by talking and taking action can we bring about a safer future.
And if the German society can't talk and hear about what is happening to their citizens how can they best protect the immigrant women and children too? It is for their sakes too we need to say this is wrong and it must not be allowed to happen again because we are too scared to talk about it and challenge this.
So this thread is about standing up and saying this isn't right. That a minority of men should not be dictating expectations of behaviour from all men. That this needs to be discuss and changed. And that shouting racist does not stop the fact that it is the right of women to be and feel safe. This is about ensuring basic baslow heirarchy of needs. This is about enforcing the Convention on the elimination of all forms of discrimation against women But it is also about protecting the right for men to be safe because there is nothing to stop these people turning on men eventually. Ultimately it is about having a culture and society that allows all people to be safe. Right now we are heading to a time when no one is safe. And it is frightening