Have Muslim leaders been condemning the attacks?

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It just occurred to me reading another thread (sorry!)

I am very much in the don't tar them all with the same brush camp, but a number of people have said why aren't many Muslims speaking out? It's true I haven't seen any reports of prominent Muslims condemning them. Have I missed them? Are they not being reported? Or are they keeping quiet?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323372/Paris-terror-attacks-British-Muslim-groups-advert-unreservedly-condemning-violence.html

i wish they had added that Muslims were also included in the victims,

Wonderful to see that advert, Limbo - things like this can only help

Let's hope, too, that the MCB might lead an increased community drive towards rooting out extremism wherever it's found ...

Toast Oh, give over with your Islamophobia, my friend. Predictably Pavlovian. We are long past that road, especially when it's directed at somebody who sees the misery and repercussions of these social practices in their line of work, and who campaigns on many issues of social justice and equality for all groups (I also have a lot to say about Big Pharma, alterophobia, bullying, global monopolies, to give a few examples). I mentioned Victoria's Angels and their wings, and generalised them to patriarchy - your point? Both you and I know that in an unequal world structured by white, middle class, male hegemony, the burqa is as much a symbol of oppression as are the Angels' wings, no matter how much each believes that they are doing 'girl power' or gaining 'freedom from the male gaze'.

Muslims do live under sharia law in this country because it doesn't go against the laws of this country.
They are allowed to not eat pork or drink alcohol, to pray 5 times a day, to dress modestly, to give 5% (I think) if their income to charity.
This is sharia law.

Catholic doctrine states Catholics must pray daily, attend mass at least weekly and on holy days of obligation, not eat meat on a Friday, not use contraception, participate in rituals or 'sacraments' at specific points of their lives or other holy day of obligation and give at least 10% of their income to the church.

You bothered about that, wooden?

Yes they have

You know what I am disgusted that the arsenal and balls of the Man arrested this morning are all over the internet. Fair enough they are blurred. Society has lost their humanity. Throw a blanket over him for goodness sake he was handcuffed, and don't print such pictures.

What do you mean Lonny?
Why would it bother me? I'm just trying to explain when Muslims in this country say they want to live by sharia law that's what they mean.
They don't actually mean they want beheadings etc.
I don't give a shit tbh. As long as people don't break laws, I couldn't care less. Each to their own and all that.

Obviously I'm talking about ordinary law abiding Muslims not ISIS sympathisers who probably do want the parts of sharia law which involve corporal and capital punishments.

Muslims do live under sharia law in this country because it doesn't go against the laws of this country

But that's not true, is it? You mentioned some of the penal and judicial punishments yourself, and they're most certainly not acceptable under UK law

No doubt some will now say the "interpretation" of Sharia is wrong - always a convenient fallback within a system which has no central, overall authority - but how can we possibly accept a parallel legal system in the hope that those who demand it will only want to impose more palatable bits ??

Like I said before, normal Muslims just want to be able to practice their religion. Islam specifically teaches that Muslims must obey and live by the laws of the land they're in.
The reason why sharia law became an issue suddenly is because a couple of years ago, there was talk about Muslims having their own sharia courts. When you use the word 'court' it suddenly becomes scary like they're trying to change the law but it wasn't the case.
Here's a link to a bit more about it.
fullfact.org/law/uk_sharia_courts-39429
That's all I'm trying to explain and that's why you won't see Muslims start saying they're against sharia law.
It doesn't mean they want corporal and capital punishments. It just means they want to practise their religion.
Personally, I think the less religious people are the better. I'm not even trying to defend it just trying to explain it.

a couple of years ago, there was talk about Muslims having their own sharia courts

It was rather more than just talk though, wasn't it? Last time I looked I believe there were already over 80 sharia courts in the UK, and there's no denying the demand for more

Personally I believe they should all be closed - not because I think most muslims want to start stoning and chopping hands off as that would be ridiculous, but at least partly because of the message involved in allowing anyone to operate an alternative set of laws

And after all, since "Islam specifically teaches that Muslims must obey and live by the laws of the land they're in" surely most folk won't mind?

I think I read the tone of your post wrongly wooden, sorry.

As long as the sharia courts are only dealing in mediation and minor disputes, it can't be any different than having a friend or family member involved as they can't make decisions that contravene British law.
Obviously someone who believes in the importance of sharia courts can explain it better than me because I agree with you.

That's ok Lonny. I assumed it must have been that

Sharia courts issue deal with things like Islamic divorces, I believe the Jewish faith has similar.

They are allowed specifically because they do not work counter to the laws of the land.

If they did not exist we would still ask for Islamic matters to be dealt with by scholars, it's makes it easier to find the scholars if you have a shariah council.

Why would they need to deal with islamic divorce fuzzy? how is it different to uk divorce laws!

Divorce is divorce.

As long as the sharia courts are only dealing in mediation and minor disputes

Divorce is not a minor dispute.

I got an Islamic divorce because I wanted my Islamic marriage also confirmed divorced which they happily did accepting my decree absolute as perfectly valid, I was issued a written Islamic divorce.

The Jewish faith also have their own marriage and divorce system which is separate from the legal marriages and divorces issued in UK courts.

All Muslims who are married have had an islamic wedding as well as a legal one. If they get divorced then they'll want an islamic divorce as well as a legal one.

You mean the same as Catholics and Jews?

Catholics in the UK have to have a registrar at the church whereas CofE the vicar is also the registrar.

What do Catholics do if they want to remarry in church after a divorce?

www.aboutcatholics.com/beliefs/divorce-annulments-and-remarriage/

^ something like this Piglet John.