Have Muslim leaders been condemning the attacks?

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It just occurred to me reading another thread (sorry!)

I am very much in the don't tar them all with the same brush camp, but a number of people have said why aren't many Muslims speaking out? It's true I haven't seen any reports of prominent Muslims condemning them. Have I missed them? Are they not being reported? Or are they keeping quiet?

Yes from what I have heard

But I do not think every Muslim needs to explain this is not part of Islam

But we have ignored very radical views that are held by some young Muslims and their interpretation of Islam. Young people have always been easily manipulated when they feel disconnected with society and for far too many this is happening this has to be tackled by those in the Muslim community

Years ago my ex was horrified by the radical Islam preached here (he grew up in France) and seemed to be accepted by many

That is a very nice idea for all Muslims to stand up against ISIS and I wish all governments would but they have support and they have huge amounts of money behind them that comes from a country we have close ties with

"Although Some Muslim Leaders Condemned The Attacks, Did They Really Mean It?"

Example: Corbyn yesterday;

“I think there is some hope there, but I also think we have to ask some questions about the way in which Isil has received weapons, has received money, has been able to sell oil, has been able to export it and the role that other countries have played in this, including the way in which Turkey has been bombing Kurdish positions on the border and the way in which Saudi Arabia, maybe not at Government level, but certainly at aid-level, has been providing support to Isil.”

Just wondering why you seem to think they must do it. Do you as a British person feel obliged to go public with the news you condemn jihadi John just because he was also British, and people may assume you condone jihad and beheading civilians if you don't speak out

This guy is actually voicing what a lot of Muslims feel (lots of swearing involved).
They feel angry because firstly, they don't want people killed and secondly, they know that their lives will become difficult as people start blaming Muslims as a whole.

Dear God yes! The Gulf State leaders did, Iran has, Jordan has, etc.

Believe you me, Muslims have every right to be as scared shitless of ISIS as the rest of the world! If not more so! They are killing more Muslims then anyone else after all.

The 'speaking out' thing really upsets me. We don't demand it of any other group - no-one asked MNers (a prominent organisation of predominately Western women) to speak out when an MSF hospital was bombed in our name.

Why do we expect it of Muslims?

Remember ISIS has killed many, many more Muslims than non-Muslims. The Shias are Muslim. One of ISIS' aims is to wipe them out.

It's probably not being reported, just as the fact that the security guard who stopped who stopped him from entering the stadium and saved so many lives was a Muslim.

Was the security guard left physically unharmed? Thank goodness he did a good job. No wonder the guy isn't in the press as a hero, he's the wrong religion for the press.

Cat got your tongue OP?

Seriouslyffs That's a little unfair. People have a right to question, debate and consider issues without others reflexing like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs whenever they hear 'Islam' or 'Muslims' in a sentence. If a bunch of well organised, overtly or tacitly funded, and vicious men started to stage extreme snuff movies in public, with the additional frisson of periodically blowing up landmarks all over the world and killing civilians, repeatedly stating that they were doing this for patriarchy, and a much larger group of men kept on repeating that this was not done in the name of patriarchy because this is not the patriarchy that they practise, would people still consider how Victoria's Secret shows, lap dancing clubs and pornography may be linked to these terrorist attacks? They may find their answers do not make this link, they may decide that there is no evidence, they may look toward a different explanation, but the key point is that these questions will, undoubtedly, be asked and discussed. I am asking these questions and my answer changes every day. I may never find the answer, or I may land on one that I am happy with. I still have the right to ask, debate, discuss and consider.

I'm Catholic. I don't remember the Catholic community being asked to condemn the IRA every time they blew something up. Or the Irish community generally. Don't see why this is any different.

Why do we expect it of Muslims?

I wonder if it's because it's been repeatedly shown that a significant percentage of muslims support extremist violence?

Personally I've been truly happy to see some speaking out against this, but equally disappointed to see public celebrations of the atrocities such as happened in my own town

Interesting piece here from Raj Targey in the dreaded Daily Mail: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319908/We-British-Muslims-got-speak-says-DR-TAJ-HARGEY.html

You are right in that logically it should not be any different - but it is, in the way that we, in western societies, are responding. Why is that? I genuinely want to consider this without debate being shut down. Why are we holding Islam and Muslims up to scrutiny in this way?

Well it's interesting to me that you mentioned the patriarchy above four I can think of another group of people who are held to higher account, who are expected to police a dominant group's behaviour and who are held up as evidence of society going to the dogs when they ape the behaviour of that dominant group...

Puzzled I'd be interested to see the evidence for your post, please.

From a Guardian piece after the last Paris attacks:

A recent BBC survey of 1,000 British Muslims revealed that while 95% said they felt a loyalty to Britain and the vast majority had no sympathy for the perpetrators of the Paris attacks, 27% did have some sympathy for the motivations behind the Paris attacks and 45% said clerics preaching violence against the west could be justified as being in touch with mainstream Muslim opinion.

Not a significant percentage, but nevertheless a percentage. Is it significant? I don't know. Is this the kind of low-level support that breeds violence?

Lonny do you mean bankers? Am not getting the clue.

Puzzled - where do you live? Public celebrations of the atrocities, really? Interested to see evidence re a significant percentage of Muslims supporting extremist violence too.

Women. Held to a higher standard than men, generally. One female boss is strident = all female bosses are a nightmare, etc etc etc. Sorry, meant to add in to the post, not be all mysterious

Having sympathies for the factors behind radicalisation in no way is the same as supporting extremist violence though four.

I think the West (generally) bears some responsibility for extremism. I think if you bomb the shit out of innocent people you can't be surprised when they bomb you back. And if you sell arms to not so nice people, ditto. Seeing a causal link in no way means I have one iota of support for violence though.

It's all easily searchable, Lonny ... but one example is the survey Comres did for BBC Radio 4, published in February this year: www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

There are Jewish people who experience victimisation for the acts of Israel and the Pope has been under pressure in the past to approve or condem issue regarding the Catholic Church. I never expect a Muslim response but when there is one ( which there has been many) then I expect the same coverage on the TV news. The second you tube video contents could only of been said by a Muslim it would of lost all context and could be described as incitement by a non Muslim. Equally I believe it is as much my responsibility to speak of my support of Muslims and to ensure my children behave the same.

Muslims do react to the news with sadness. The fact of the matter is Muslims have died too!

I'm not Muslim, however a quick Google revealed to me over 100 innocent Syrian children died at the hands of France, America and Russia bombing recently. Our news doesn't report that, wonder why?

We need to remember all sides of the war suffer.

Let's also not forget that Comres apparently showed: One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests

The last (2011) census showed a UK muslim population of approx 2.7 million, which by my maths works out at roughly 300,000 who support such a stance - more than a little worrying, no?

maybemyrtle I live in an east midlands city (would rather not be more specific on here) and yes, sadly I meant it about the public celebrations. An even larger one happened here after 9/11, but Saturday's was much the same: screaming, chanting, throwing of fists in the air and distribution of sweets. As I posted elsewhere, somehow I doubt they were celebrating a birthday

Puzzled

Why do you claim that "have some sympathy with" means "supports actions of?"

I have some sympathy with altarboys who have been molested, but I would not support the actions of one who clubbed the priest to death with a hammer.

Piglet if in these particular circumstances you either can't or won't see the connection between the two, I really don't think there's much to be gained by me expanding on that

I'm also genuinely sorry you seem to feel this is a time for semantics; personally I believe the issue is more serious than that

Sorry Puzzled but I too fail to read that survey in the same way as you do.

And why pick out a completely randomised point, rather than something like, oh I don't know, 93% of the Muslims polled (which is NOT the same as 'all Muslims in Britain by the way, but that's their error, not yours) believe that Muslims living in Britain should always obey Muslim laws?

Or that merely 11% of Muslims polled (so 110 people) felt sympathy towards people who want to fight against Western interests. T

hat's hardly the same as your quote: a significant percentage of Muslims support extreme violence.

When it comes to reading and understanding a poll or survey, semantics are everything. Even down to the questions which were asked (which aren't shared on your link) - they could lead to confirmation bias.

I'd want to read the questions. I love a good survey or piece of research. What's that saying again 'there are lies, damn lies and statistics'.