9/11. Not interested in a debate here, but can we just have a quick show of hands?

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I'm just interested in how many people around here are also highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11.

I'm really not after a debate (it would be long, involved, probably pointless and personally I have done this elsewhere), but I just wanted to see who is around.

It has very strong ongoing relevance for current world events.

Many thanks.

"woo, something doesn't add up, question everything"

No "woo" about it. And I don't think anyone's a sheep, either.
But yes, something doesn't add up. A lot of things don't add up, actually. But as I have said countless times, I'm not here to persuade anyone or debate. I asked a question, I got some interesting answers (and some less interesting ones).

So you don't know who the elite are, but you know they have been rumbled and are in demise
How clever you are

'And I don't think anyone's a sheep, either. '

AnotherEffing, Blairite?
Have you forgotten about them?

'How clever you are'

Thank you. I'm glad to see you have changed your tune now and seen reason.

So what do you think happened op? Who did it and why?

Why so reluctant to explore your ideas?

What doesn't add up to me is how anyone could come to the conclusion that murdering hundreds and thousands of people was a reasonable thing to do. And then act on it. That's the mystery here, not the minutia of what actually happened, or who exactly was responsible and why.

Have you not read about psychopaths like Stalin, Mao and Hitler? There is such a thing as evil and there is a saying that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Really, Claig? I'd never heard that saying before.

It boggles the mind to think that anyone could agree to this and approve it or conduct it.

"Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

Onec upon a time, if anyone had said that it had happened, they would probably have been called a "conspiracy theorist" rather than a conspiracy researcher.

Why so reluctant to explore your ideas?

I'm not at all reluctant. I've done, and continue to do, a lot of exploring. But I'm not doing it here, thanks. Here, I wanted to ask a simple question, and that is what I have done.

'I'd never heard that saying before.'

I'm not surprised because as George Orwell wrote, the elite have probably tried to consign such statements to Room 101.

Whoops, sorry, I left off the tags from my post.

I believe the conspiracy theories are what we were actually told and the people believing it are unwittingly part of the conspiracy.
Then there's the reality of what really happened and that's what they don't tell us.
All a load of baloney, imo.

I'd be more impressed, to be honest, if someone came up with evidence of having uncovered a 9/11 conspiracy before it happened. Going back after the event, and seeing patterns in things that aren't there, is very easy and anyone can do it.

It's like with the moon landing conspiracies (also all bollocks). It's funny how all of this has only started recently. At the time nobody said, "I worked a great moon set for Stanley Kubrick's new film the other day", or "My mate went for an audition as an astronaut."

'Going back after the event, and seeing patterns in things that aren't there, is very easy and anyone can do it.'

Conspiracies are perpetrated by powerful people. Ordinary people and conspiracy researchers can only analyse what happened, just like Poirot, Miss Marples and Sherlock Holmes, they can't prevent it from happening.

It is not easy to spot the same "crisis actor" being interviewed in different "crises" which may be why it is never the mainstream media and BBC who find it, but ordinary people on youtube,

So 9/11 doesn't 'add up' while your ideas do but you're unwilling to hold them up to scrutiny.

Ok, seems a fairly typical conspiracy theorist (nut-job!) way of thinking.

I'm just going to say it as it's been bugging me... it's Miss Marple, singular. Not "Marples". And, Miss Marple and Sherlock Holmes are fictional characters, so they're not exactly doing any research or investigation. Perhaps you mean Agatha Christie or Arthur Conan Doyle, although tbf, they're both dead so also not doing much investigating.

So basically OP your question was "How many of you are as clever as me?" and the conclusion you've reached is Claig and a couple of others.

Well there we are then.

Oh hypocrite, I'm not sure how many times I'll have to say this.
I have no specific alternative conspiracy theory I want to propose. The thoughts I have about why the official story doesn't add up I am actually very keen on scrutinising and discussing. But I am not doing that here. And I have no interest in persuading anyone.

But please do feel free to indulge your own ideas about "conspiracy theorists" as you are. I find it fascinating.

'it's Miss Marple, singular. Not "Marples"'

Sorry, I don't watch it.

If you say so, Libraries

Well what else was the purpose? You don't want to discuss what you think, you just want to see how many people think like you do. What purpose does that serve other than personal validation?

If you were genuinely curious about others' opinions you would want to discuss substance. A show of hands can be nothing but making yourself feel like you've got others who agree with you.

So the official story doesn't add up, you don't want to talk about why. You are exploring other theories but don't want to say which one of those adds up for you.

Critical thinkers, watch out.

Y'know OP, discussion boards are generally for discussing stuff. Not for research projects. You haven't even articulated why you want to know how many other tinhat-wearing fools likeminded people there are .

Neither do I claig, but it's a fairly well known series of books by Agatha Christie, effectively part of popular culture.

It is perfectly possible not to take everything that you read/see at face value, without therefore deciding to believe in bizarre, complex and paranoid conspiracies. It's called critical thinking, and part of it is accepting that without enough evidence it can simply be impossible for the average person to fully understand what may have actually happened. There's no need to fill that void with fanciful ideas.