muslim people

[zippadee]

i am alarmed at the amount of anti muslim rhetoric that is being bandied around. particularly by the government. what is going on?
i am a white , non muslim , what does everyone think about this?

He had a habit of wearing those baggy leg shorts with no underwear. He'd sit down and cross his legs and....slither....one would peep put like a malevolent shrivelled monkey

Come on !! Tell!!

Crossed posts - I was eager

arrhhhhggggg

Horrid

any bollock, I'm not being gingerist

ROFLMAO!!!

He was in our theatre group and we had mixed changing rooms. He'd parade round with ALL hanging out till he got told in no uncertain terms to cover up or get a kicking (from a lady).

BTW - I am so, so sorry for lowering the tone and dragging the conversation away from a very valid & relevant OP.

Enough of this - back to the subject

(I can always start a Ginger Nuts thread)

Actually I was speculating that it could be that the TA had 'found Islam' in the period between her interview and starting her job. I don't wear a face veil.
And I repeat it was all conjecture on my part. I have never met the woman, do not know her or anyone who knows her!!!!

I also agree that if the veil is/was putting her in breach of her employment contract than she should have re-thought her desire to teach in that school.
I object to the whole media circus that ensued as once again there was this huge furor that Muslims refuse to be answerable to anyone (despite the fact that no muslim has said this)
That we are taking over the world (or at least the england part of it anyhow)
That as other men can see unveiled women, clearly the veiled women should also allow men to look at them as the uveiled women found this mightily unfair....(I think that has to be the dumbest reason yet).
And then there was the view, that as these women are probably incredibly ugly anyway, therefore they should unveil, no one wants to look at them and they were being incredibly presumptious for thinking any man would be seduced by the 'heavy haunched be-whiskered women' most of us apparantly are.
Oh yes and last but by no means least, we are awaiting liberation, we just don't know it yet, and the enlightened ones amongst the english are going to jolly well liberate us, whether we regard the forced removal of our veils a liberation or an oppression does not matter, as it is viewd as an oppression from the outside.

It think that hooly meant that she was actualy defended on Question time, by a woman wearing a veil....not that hooly was quoting your speculation fuzzy IYSWIM

Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but why now? I think because the government and the media have decided that they are not going to promote their version of multi-culturalism anymore. Notice how they're saying we've all got to celebrate diversity but not difference. Eh? What kind of newspeak is that then? I think in the next few years we're going to see a lot of official propaganda emphasising the similiarities between communities rather than the differences.

Eh? Where did all that come from? Were you refering to my story?

Has anyone seen the cover of The Sun today??

How the FECK could they get away with that? It's blatant incitement. As good as saying "all muslims are evil, look out...they're coming to get you!!!"

link please

Can't flippin do them!! Can anyone else help?

boowila if you meant my post no i didn't mean you, thought your story was rather sweet actually.

Do you think that some of this has been prompted bt the (Ex?) head of the Race relations board's comments on the setting up of separate comunities, rather than 'real' multiculturalism?

I seem to remember some commenst made some moths ago along these lines

Basically - head is pic of woman in a burka, dark eye make up (you know, like normal).

"Veil teacher's Victory"

"You will have to intergrate with ME"

(I may have paraphrased, but not much)

That should be head line

MB - agree the Trevor Philips remarks are all part of the same backlash.

But some of the stuff going on about muslims is rank racism imo. It's almost like there's been this great big dam opened up and all these people at the Sun and the Star are saying all the things they've been wanting to for years. They're getting it all off their chest and it's not a pretty sight.

Not sure I agree about the veil giving you carte blanche not to wear make up etc. Uwila - all the muslim women I see with veils have very carefully made up eyes - even more carefully than normal, because of course that's the only part of the face you see. I suppose burkhas cover the eyes as well though, don't they? So no need for eyeliners.

Oh, ok. Glad you were directing that at me, Fuzzy.

Caligula, the point of the story was that by having this conversatio I was enlightened to a view I had not considered and I was then able to understand why someone might want to wear such a garmet. I got past my Western (mis)conception. And I think we would all benefit if both sides did more talking and both sides did more listening.

I second that Boowila. There's a lot of assuming going on, on all sides. And it's being exacerbated by our darling red-top "news"papers (and I use the term most lightly)

SOmeone at work today said he found the veil offensive. He felt it was like the woman saying to him that he couldn't be trusted and that he was not in contrl of his animal instincts. He was probably being argumentative.

Don't think so, dros, I've also heard that argument from men and not just from moronic ones (although some of them were, obv.)

Uwila I'm surprised you hadn't considered the idea before - as I get older, the option of wearing a burkha gets considerably more attractive on some days, particularly when I don't have time to do my make-up in the mornings. Imagine how much faffing about it would save on the school run.

Hello-back again after server died

Yes MP I was quoting a woman in the studio on Question Time

Boowila, is it possible that to this woman the burqua was a novelty, if she was compelled to wear it without choice I suspect she might see a down side to it.