Anti Semitism in the UK

[Oakmaiden]

This is in the news a lot at the moment.

I have never, to my knowledge, heard anyone make anti-Semitic remarks. Anti Islam, yes. Anti "them Polish people coming over here and taking our very badly paid jobs", yes. Anti Semitic, no. Am I just very lucky/ sheltered?

Well, exactly ghost. I think kim has gone now.

It's all part of the anti-semitic method, isn't it? AS is both the Jews' problem to solve and, more strongly than that, AS is something that Jews are not allowed to define according to our own experiences of it: it is something that others define for us and we are corrected over when we get it 'wrong'. Those who believe it acceptable to do this, would never dare to define racism on behalf of a black person, and 'correct' them when they are 'mistaken' about their own experiences. Ditto sexism.

Cardamom - Did Juliet really do that. I always thought she was a crap and annoying actress, didn't realise she was a crap person as well.

Nice, isn't it?

It's funny (well not really) how the "progressive" left who would fall over themselves to show their hip liberal credentials and denounce racism against black people, sexism, homophobia, pedophilia and anything which they deem as intolerant are very quick to align themselves with clerical, homophobic, women hating, fascists whose own charter calls for the killing of Jews worldwide. I guess Juliet Stevenson has more in common with Hitler than she realises. Luvvies seem to be particularly susceptible to catching the Jew hate virus.

Thanks heart.

ghost - yup. I laugh so hard, I could cry .

Ghost, it amazes me too. And anyone who dares to say that perhaps there's a bit more to problems in, say, Gaza, than Israel Being Wicked Again is either a) naive or b) in the pay of hasbara. (I never knew what hasbara was until I read the Israel/Palestine threads...)

I also find it odd that we don't get long running Tibet threads, or Kurdistan threads, or ones on the human rights of indigenous people in the Amazon Basin. Or maybe we do and I've just missed them.

Do you think being in the pay of hasbara could yield enough to fund a nice shoe/handbag addiction? Not necessarily ruling it out.... I mean, if I'm saying what I'm saying anyway, but could get a Gucci Disco bag out of it too...

Mehs you won't find any human rights of indigenous people in the Amazon Basin because the British had a part in their deaths (amazonian rubber boom).

It's easier to criticize the 'other'.

News breaking of another attack in France. Stabbing of 3 soldiers on duty outside a Jewish community centre in Nice.

Apologies for Daily Fail link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938009/Three-soldiers-anti-terror-patrol-France-stabbed-knifeman.html

cardamom. I often wonder why, if I am an all powerful puppet master, I can never get anybody to make me a cup of tea. You'd think one of my puppets would make themselves known and give me a break. Bad, disobedient puppets.

I once remember watching a programme about Jews having control of the world's wealth. I was in bed at the time. With an umbrella up.

Shit. Obviously the grin was for the earlier post - I didn't see this latest one until I'd already posted.

cardamom this is awful. I really don't know what to say.

If I lived in France, I think I'd be packing my bags.

cardamom We are not far from France. This is very worrying.

I think the situation in France is quite different from here. Different ethnic groups, different histories, different tensions. I feel less safe here as a Brit, but more safe as a Jew, IYSWIM. Or maybe I'm naive.

cardamom your post articulated what my friends and I feel.

Discussions round my Shabbat table amongst my friends and family are now focussed on how do we ensure our children are smart and keep safe? I never thought I would ever tell my DD who is at Leeds Uni to take off her Star of David Necklace and whilst walking to and from Uni.

I feel less safe now than ever

I've heard anti-semitic remarks up in the Highlands, by elderly people, mainly men who were in (then) Palestine in the immediate post-war years. Also comments such as 'Of course in those days, if you were a Jew you couldn't be A, B or C. There was a sense that they were too interested in money.'

I usually respond with some remark like, 'Yes, isn't it amazing how blinkered some people were?' If they continue in this vein I ask them if they know many Jewish people now. Usually the answer is that they haven't met anyone Jewish for at least thirty years. I then tell them about Jewish friends and various kind things they have done for me and other people, and the good times we've had together.

It is depressing, but this particular group is an ageing one, living in a kind of bubble. The extreme islamicist or left-wing version is, of course, completely different.

It depresses me when I hear of Jewish people wanting to leave. We would be generally stupider, less humane, less witty and less cultured without Jews.

I always thought Stevenson was a bit of a fool when she said she understood why burglars would nick someone's video for example - because they were poor and saw middle class folk with lots of nice stuff. What a bloody insult to the poor. I had no idea just how appalling her beliefs were though.

Incidentally I reported Joshua Bonhill's FB page about his protest against "Jewification" (all 260,000 odd apparently taking over the whole of Britain!) and FB refused to delete it. However, I've just had an update saying they have now done so. I didn't report it so much because of the march but because of the horrible Victorianesque cartoon of a Jew on the page.

I think it's a mistake to ascribe qualities whether positive or negative to whole groups of people.

mathanxiety I agree with you. I am sure it wasn't Abra's intention, but we are all the same, there are good and bad people in any group.

'France 'no Jews' job ad sparks outrage'

Well I wasn't just being sentimental or sweeping in my generalisation--I had to research the subject a bit for a book I was writing: prison lists, comedians, philanthropists, artists, doctors, etc. Of course there are also socio-economic reasons too (Kindertransport children being largely middle-class professional in background, Polish/Russian Jewish communities establishing strong tradition of theatre and music hall in the East End, etc).

But I apologise for making anyone uneasy.

:)

Don't know about Hasbara but I am in the pay of Haribo (with the amount of sweets I buy my kids)!

Eugene, Britain regularly gets blamed on the I/P threads: the Balfour Declaration. So it's not just about 'the other'... there is something else going on too.