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Anti Semitism in the UK

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Oakmaiden · 18/01/2015 18:51

This is in the news a lot at the moment.

I have never, to my knowledge, heard anyone make anti-Semitic remarks. Anti Islam, yes. Anti "them Polish people coming over here and taking our very badly paid jobs", yes. Anti Semitic, no. Am I just very lucky/ sheltered?

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glasshouses · 01/02/2015 15:39

Your experience is very different to mine and many others then noddyholder
or are you suggesting it is something that we are making up to get media attention?

TalkingintheDark · 01/02/2015 15:52

Bloody hell, noddyholder, you've just managed to make an anti-Semitic remark in the way you suggest anti-Semitism doesn't actually exist and is just being trumped up/exaggerated, presumably by the Jewish dominated media for their own bigoted ends, in your version of events.

Irony, much.

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 16:00

I don't think it doesn't exist don't twist my words. I have just said I haven't encountered it in the way thw media is reporting currently.

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 16:01

If I was anti semitic I would lose about half my friends overnight!

MrsSquirrel · 01/02/2015 16:04

Huge media push atm to put it high on the agenda Hmm

Or could the media attention be connected to the fact that 4 people were murdered in Paris recently, because they were Jews?

TalkingintheDark · 01/02/2015 16:10

Exactly, MrsSquirrel.

noddy why would the fact that you personally haven't encountered it mean that there's a "huge media push" to put it on the agenda? You seem to be denying the possibility that it's being reported because it's happening.

I've never personally encountered or witnessed Islamophobia either, but I don't doubt it exists.

TheTravellingLemon · 01/02/2015 16:11

Why should increased media attention fuel the fire and what is the alternative? Should the crimes not be reported or should the reports be kept quiet?

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 16:13

I don't I think all opinions valid and I accept others thoughts on this Just that I think the reporting THAT I HAVE SEEN has been divisive and not particularly informative more scaremongering. I think there is so much in the press attempting to pit people against each other that it is hard to know what to think but I don't know any jewish people atm who think that way about their own day to day lives.

HyperThread · 01/02/2015 16:15

I don't know anyone in real life who is anti-Semitic. I know plenty of people who are anti-Zionism. There's a clear difference between them and it has been high up on the Zionist agenda to mix the two.

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 16:16

I agree with that Hyper.

TalkingintheDark · 01/02/2015 16:40

I think there have been plenty of people on this thread giving their own experiences of anti semitism in their own day to day lives. I don't think those people get over reported at all.

Perhaps like me noddy you live in a very diverse area where people mostly get along with each other as there isn't really a dominant ethnic/racial/religious group, but a good sampling of everybody. Perhaps in areas like this, there is less experience of prejudice and discrimination generally.

But in areas where majorities and minorities are much more clearly defined, I would imagine that prejudice does flourish more.

I already linked to a great blog upthread but I'm going to link again anyway because it's such a good piece (and because I posted in response to the OP but didn't RTFR and ended up in the middle of a different conversation!)

iram ramzan

Interestingly, she - as a Muslim herself - says of some members of the Muslim community "The belief is that Jews are protected and immune from criticism while Muslims are unfairly targeted."

It seems to me that this "special status" is also what's being implied with the idea that that attacks on Jews are over reported and given more prominence in the news than they actually warrant.

She also makes the point that in the great furore over whether Charlie Hebdo "brought it on themselves" by "provoking" the wrath of their murderers, the Jewish victims have been all but forgotten. The Jewish victims who, as MrsSquirrel says, were murdered just because they were Jewish.

That whole aspect of things has hardly been over reported, has it?

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 16:43

Yes maybe, I am not talking about the world in general but honestly no one I know has mentioned it and believe me they would!

kellyandthecat · 01/02/2015 16:52

yes anti-semitism exists in the UK!!! I am an ethnic jew married to a christian, and our children are jewish by jewish tradition but have a pretty COE tradition if anything. i have definitely noticed a change of climate compared to when i was growing up - it is definitely more of a 'thing' now to be jewish and i am much more aware of it and have heard of anti-Semitic behaviour. partly i feel this is because of israel and a lot of 'liberal' people who conflate israel with jews. people say all kinds of crazy irresponsible things about israel that get mixed up with jews everywhere. also we have more muslims in the UK now but there was always anti-semitism in England. my kids go to a leading private school and they hear 'jewish' used as a word for stingy etc. i think the upper-class has always had some anti-semitic people, some of them would have been happy to ally with Hitler in the 30s remember, but now its made worse by the influx of arab and russian oligarchs some of who have traditionally anti-jewish attitudes

TheTravellingLemon · 01/02/2015 16:56

Can somebody explain what is meant by zionist agenda?

Also, by 'anti - Zionist' do you mean against Israel's right to exist?

salauds · 01/02/2015 16:56

Noddyholder Just because you, or people you know who are Jewish, haven't experienced anything anti-semitic, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

That is ludicrous. Who are you, and OP? The arbiter of what exists. I see therefore it is. I don't see, so it doesn't.

And 'Media push' how dare you!

There has been such a rise in anti-semitism recently that many people I know are fearful of another Holocaust.

People may not go round saying 'Dirty Jew!' as they used to, but it exists. Just that nowadays it's more insidious. Or murderous.

mathanxiety · 01/02/2015 16:57

Now there is apparently a 'Zionist agend'.

What else is "high up" on the 'Zionist Agenda', alongside the alleged attempt to conflate anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism?

Is the rest about money, ruling the world by proxy, pulling strings in secret?

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 16:57

I KNOW! I have said that that I am not saying it doesn't exist but I haven't met anyone in my circle of friends who has expressed this

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 17:00

Salauds do you call everyone who expresses a point of view the arbiter of all that exists? High handed and inaccurate It is an opinion like yours which I respect and believe but haven't encountered

kellyandthecat · 01/02/2015 17:02

you can't have a point of view about whether something exists or not noddyholder, it either does or does not and so your 'point of view' is just another way of saying it does not exist

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 17:03

I haven't said it doesn't exist though just that I haven't encountered it

kellyandthecat · 01/02/2015 17:03

casting doubt on the experience and existence of anti-semitism is another way of attacking jews whether you mean to or not

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 17:05

There are many things I know exist and abhor which I have never had personal experience of Many

kellyandthecat · 01/02/2015 17:05

so what's the point of the OP starting this post and you and others' comments saying things don't exist if not to cast doubt? the OP probably hasn't encountered a polar bear, but they don't start a post saying the media have been talking a lot about polar bears recently but I'm not sure they exist. Hmm

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 17:07

Thats a different argument

noddyholder · 01/02/2015 17:08

WHy can't you grasp that I haven't experienced it in the way I have seen reported but know it exists?

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