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Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

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claig · 10/12/2014 17:51

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

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claig · 17/12/2014 16:12

'So UKIP is opposed to GM?'

I don't know. Some of their farmers like Agnew are for it. We will find out. I think one day they will end up being against them, because even if the leadership sell out and go with it, they can't control the ordinary people, the People's Army, "OOKIP" woman and the "fruitcakes" and we don't want GM food and what is so great about UKIP is that it is for local democracy and local referenda so they won't be able to get their GM food through and past the People's Army.

UKIP is currently for fracking and I am against it. One day the People's Army may have enough of fracking too whatever the leadership says.

What is great about UKIP is, that it offers the people hope that their voice will be heard and it won't all be stitched up by a tiny clique of PPEs from Oxford who tell us we can't buy 2 for 1s at Tesco or can't smoke in parks or should enjoy Frankenfoods because they taste nice.

Even Farage is having to change his policies because the People's Army are forcing him too.

In UKIP , the "fruitcakes" will demand their say. UKIP is constantly changing, it is about representing ordinary people and they can't keep us in our box anymore.

"Shock poll shows voters believe Ukip is to the left of the Tories"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poll-shows-voters-believe-ukip-is-to-the-left-of-the-tories-9923416.html

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Hakluyt · 17/12/2014 17:20

But if voters think UKIP is to the left of the Tories surely that suggests one of two things. Either UKIP is not getting it's message across, or voters are stupid.......

kim147 · 17/12/2014 17:35

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claig · 17/12/2014 17:35

Or UKIP is to the left of the Tories.

UKIP is for scrapping bedroom tax, scrapping tuition fees for science degrees, no to TTIP for the NHS, no to privatisation of the NHS, taking minimum wage earners out of taxation byraising the tax threshold to £13500.

Remember that the voters are never stupid, that is how the Establishment treat them and that is why the metropolitan elite are in so much panic as the People's Army have them on the run.

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claig · 17/12/2014 17:38

'UKIP policies -as they seem very adaptable to changing circumstances.'

They change as the people change. They adapt to the wishes of the people.

Lots of people don't know UKIP's policies in detail. They don't care too much because they trust UKIP to be on their side. They know UKIP is the People's Army and they know that the Establishment is terrified of UKIP as shown by all their smears and lies and throwing of the kitchen sink at them, and that is good enough for many people to realise that UKIP is "on their side" because they know that the Establishment isn't.

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kim147 · 17/12/2014 17:39

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claig · 17/12/2014 17:44

They listen to the people and they have changed their flat rate tax policy to meet the needs of the people. They have some core principles that they will never change - leave the EU, be against political correctness, scrap the Climate Change Act and abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change etc, but they have changed their policy to one of scrapping HS2 etc after listening to the people.

Remember that UKIP is about giving power to the people and bringing in local referenda where the people will decide not the politicians.

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kim147 · 17/12/2014 17:46

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claig · 17/12/2014 17:50

"Farage: "It goes beyond that. I think the people see us as actually standing up and saying what we think, not being constrained or scared by political correctness."

www.ukipmeps.org/articles_547_Farage-We-are-not-constrained-by-Political-Correctness.html

It means that UKIP refuse to be scared by political correctness, they will debate issues that are important and will not be stopped from telling the truth such as on climate change etc

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kim147 · 17/12/2014 17:52

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claig · 17/12/2014 17:56

That deserves a thread of its own. But in summary, it is not what the Etsablishment says it is. UKIP will scrap the Climate Change Act and abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change.

That is why the kitchen sink is being thrown at UKIP because their whole game is up.

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kim147 · 17/12/2014 17:59

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claig · 17/12/2014 18:01

It's the truth. UKIP always act on the truth because they do not deceive the people. The People's Army would not accept that.

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claig · 17/12/2014 18:07

Panic in Brussels, panic in Westminster, panic in Oxbridge, panic at the Guardian and it's all because of the People's Army.

"EU climate policy being 'taken hostage' by Ukip, MEPs say

David Cameron must show courage to face down Ukip-friendly backbenchers or UK risks undermining a strong 2030 goal on saving energy, warn MEPs
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Roger Helmer, Ukip’s European parliament leader and energy spokesman, has controversially said climate change is a “myth” and that “fossil fuels are the future” of British energy policy.
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He told the Guardian that Ukip would be campaigning on the doorstep in the next election over energy prices, an issue which the Daily Mail today linked to EU green energy policies, citing a report by the pro-free market Open Europe think tank.

“In many areas we are leading Conservative party opinion because we are saying what many Conservative party members and MP’s actually believe,” he said. “Conservative backbenchers and activists are saying ‘we’re really embarrassed because Ukip has a sensible policy in this area and the Conservative party doesn’t’.”

He continued: “The EU’s climate and energy policy is a disaster.It is damaging the economy and driving energy intensive business offshore, frequently to jurisdictions with lower standards. I primarily blame Brussels, but the current government has made climate policy worse than it needs to be under EU law.”

Ukip’s positioning has already raised hackles in Brussels, with the EU’s energy commissioner Gunther Oettinger warning earlier this summer that campaigns against efficiency measures were being used as a proxy for stirring anti-European sentiment.

“Political parties have fulminated against the Union’s efforts to reduce the energy consumption of, for example, light bulbs, vacuum cleaners and coffee machines,” Oettinger wrote in a letter to energy ministers.

“We have seen similar attempts in the past, when national press [sic] has used these measures in a way that risks creating anti-European feelings amongst citizens. This should not be taken lightly. Attempts at undermining ecodesign and energy labelling directly undermine our energy policy.”

www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/23/eu-climate-policy-being-taken-hostage-by-ukip-meps-say

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MonstrousRatbag · 17/12/2014 18:14

I think claig is Armando Ianucci, testing out stuff for a new political satire.

claig · 17/12/2014 18:14

"Don't you think for yourself or do you accept the word of Farage as gospel?"

I disagree with Farage's view on drug liberalisation where he says he thinks we "have lost the Drugs War". He is out of touch with the People's Army.

He is certainly not the Messiah but he is the person who is shaking the Establishment to the core.

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claig · 17/12/2014 18:17

Armando Ianucci could make a good comedy about UKIP. But what they all don't realise is that the more satire and jokes about UKIP, the better UKIP does. It's teflon simply because the people have had enough.

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MonstrousRatbag · 17/12/2014 18:17

He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

claig · 17/12/2014 18:19

'AIBU to support the DM, UKIP and the People's army in their fight to tell the truth?'

That would be too easy. I like a challenge.

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ChristmasDawndonnaagain · 17/12/2014 18:55

All of which, claig is scary. Farage has used the N word when discussing which vote he'd never win. Has used campaign managers that worked for the National Front, has described his own party as Racist and Far Right. Why the hell would anyone vote for him.
Personally, I don't think it will be a landslide, they may get one or two MPs if they're lucky, but I do believe they're a protest vote at the moment and that next May they will get lost in the noise. I've been involved in politics for a very, very long time and I usually manage to call it about right.

claig · 17/12/2014 19:13

You are right it won't be a landslide because people think they won't gain power. But they may get enough MPs to hold the balance of power and then they may start the process of bringing in proportional representation which will change politics forever and finish off the Tories.

The Establishment are trying to finish them off but I think they will fail. People no longer trust teh Establishment parties.

UKIP are nothing like the National Front. They have black candidates, an Asian MEP etc. They want to control immigration, that is not racist. The United States controls immigration.

If Farage gets through all the tricks and hurdles and obstacles that will be thrown at him by the Establishment then UKIP are here to stay.

UKIP will win council elections all over Essex and Kent. I can't see people voting Tory anymore. They turned our streetlights off, that was a terrible mistake, and Cameron and teh modernisers wanted to stop us buting 2 for 1s.

People can understand parties doing unpopular things over big issues but when they are so out of touch over little things then they are not "on our side" and are on the way down.

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WetAugust · 17/12/2014 20:09

Dawndonna. In order to join UKIP you have to sign a declaration that you have never been a member of the BNP. Labour has some ex BNP members, UKIP does not.

There was a poll on Monday asking people how right / left wing they viewed parties and political leaders. Cameron and the Tories were viewed as more Right wing than UKIP.

Some of the stuff in your last post does not ring true.