Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

[claig]

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

And he did not describe UKIP as 'racist' and I know that for a fact as I have seen him speak in person at a public meeting where he made it quite clear that there was no room for racists or racist views in UKIP.

He also said that the political strategy of the main parties would be to attempt to smear UKIP with a racist label. this was back in April, just before the EU elections, and sure enough the racist chant started up against U kip from the other parties.

have you actually had a look at some of UKIPs MEPs, and Councillors. you will find that they are of various ethnicities, so again, your claim that some ethnicities will not vote for UKIP appears to be false.

I think you are just spouting propaganda that some other party (I'd guess Labour) is feeding you. you really need to check your facts first hand. you may just find that what. You are told, turns out not to be true.

"I think you are just spouting propaganda that some other party (I'd guess Labour) is feeding you. you really need to check your facts first hand. you may just find that what. You are told, turns out not to be true."

you really, really couldn't make it up, could you??

It is labour who fear UKIP most. it is going to be a fascinating general election. Labour underestimates UKIP support.

claig, do you have any problem with the fact that a Daily Mail writer said, in relation to five murdered women:

in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.?

heckling again Hakluyt. It's getting rather tedious. It's a pity that Mumsnet doesn't have a Block option

I think you have confused "heckling" with "disagreeing"

And if you honestly can't see the irony of suggesting somebody is "spouting propaganda" after claig's interminable C&P job...............v

' "spouting propaganda" after claig's interminable C&P job'

that is informing people, not propaganda

Icimoi, I have googled that and it is Littlejohn. I like Litlejohn but I don't agree with everything he says

Going back to the OP! This women is clearly deluded. How easy her lies were to find out.

I worked with someone a few years ago who was a complusive liar, nice chap but felt he had to make up all sorts of fibs, I think underneath it was lack of self confidence. He really didn't need to behave like that, he was a good egg already and whenever he was telling his tall stories on a conference call with others the Instant Message service were laughing at some of the nonsense he was saying...

Claig - you are not informing people. You are saying the same thing over and over again, and do not answer any difficult questions. If you think you are informing people then you are mistaken.

Sorry, I've been busy since lunchtime.

"That was a slip-up and the article has now been removed. I don't know how the Mail fell for that one. It's highly unusual for them to print nonsense."

The thing is, the Mail was the origin of the entirely fictional story. When journalists with some actual integrity were trying to track down the article's source, it turned out that the Mail had actually made it up.

Completely.

The guy whose name was on the byline knew nothing about it, or claimed not to.

They made it up.

Themselves.

Not a mistake.

This is not a one-off, but its the best documented. Did you read Flat Earth News in the end?

Sorry wet August, all comments traceable. Not labour, history lecturer though,so good at research and finding sources. No, I'm not doing it for you.
If you want to live in a little bubble in which a public school educated millionaire is neither xenophobic, right wing, nor racist, who am I to burst said bubble?

Wondering whether the article about George colony's wife was a "slip up" too? Or the story about Romanian immigrants.........

Or even George Cloony's wife.............

Claig .... "You are right it won't be a landslide because people think they won't gain power. But they may get enough MPs to hold the balance of power and then they may start the process of bringing in proportional representation which will change politics forever and finish off the Tories."

Why do you keep repeating that nonsense?

Every report/analysis shows that UKIP takes far more votes from the Conservatives, due to electoral boundaries have to be 8% above Labour to get the same number of seats - and a UKIP whose 3% of the vote in 2010 stopped the Conservatives getting a majority, is currently polling 15%.

So on those simple maths there WILL BE as Mr Miliband alluded to at the last PMQT, a very strong PRO EU Labour led administration in 2015, working with the SNP, Greens, Welsh P.C. and many Lib Dems - who have vowed NOT TO SUPPORT A CONSERVATIVE administration, the UKIP votes will ensure won't happen.

Why on Dave's green earth would Miliband want, or need UKIP, pathetically thinking they can influence Labour EU/immigration policies, when parliament will be full of socialist MP's with the same views as Labour? Dah.

"Did you read Flat Earth News in the end?"

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep, I bought it last summer, still haven't got around to reading it yet. Will get there in the end.

...I'm pretty sure the Lib Dems haven't vowed not to support the Conservatives.

I'm sure neither party wants to go back in coalition though given the level of mutual hatred that has gently bloomed throughout these 5 long years.

Boulevard....Re the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives.

I fully agree with both your points, but I did say "many Lib Dems" for a reason.

Listening to the smaller parties rhetoric, it appears they do not want to enter into formal coalitions, and would rather take each issue/vote on a case by case basis, telling us they want to trade with the largest party THEIR policies, to support largest party legislation.

In that scenario, the Lib Dems, likely to be hurt in 2015 for doing what was right for the country in 2010, may not wish to hitch their wagon of surviving MP's with a 'tax & spend' Labour minority government - and get hit AGAIN in 2020 for doing so - so a Lib Dem MP 'free vote' would make more sense. IMO.

That was a slip-up and the article has now been removed. I don't know how the Mail fell for that one. It's highly unusual for them to print nonsense.

I second everything that Boulevard said. Additionally, of course, it is anything but unusual for the Mail to print nonsense. Remember the Meredith Kercher appeal? They published a detailed account of the court's decision that Amanda Knox's conviction had been upheld, with a headline "Amanda Knox looks stunned as appeal against conviction is rejected" and including the following:

As Knox realized the enormity of what judge Hellman was saying she sank into her chair sobbing uncontrollably while her family and friends hugged each other in tears.

"A few feet away Meredith's mother Arline, her sister Stephanie and brother Lyle, who had flown in especially for the verdict remained expressionless, staring straight ahead, glancing over just once at the distraught Knox family.

"Prosecutors were delighted with the verdict and said that 'justice has been done' although they said on a 'human factor it was sad two young people would be spending years in jail'".

Only, as we know, it was absolute fiction. They wrote all that in advance, making up their own quotes, and published it accidentally.

That is not just nonsense, it is outright lies.

Isitmebut & Claig

As you both know my dearest wish is to leave the EU however UKIP is not going to make that happen.

I think the EU is more likely to collapse due to pressures from other countries that have far less stable political systems than our own. The pressures are building. We don't see the the riots in Italy, or the protests in Spain or the Monday marches in Germany or the political and financial crisis that is about to envelop Greece, as the BBC rarely report these items of news.

So although I believe in Brexit I will not be supporting UKIP.

Why is UKIP not going to do that?

Who will you support if you don't support UKIP?

The EU ruining the British way of Life!

This is the Guardian journalist's 1st point out of 10 showing how good the EU has been to us, how much they care about us.

"Banning perfectly decent lightbulbs

Incandescent light bulbs were phased out in Europe between September 2009 and September 2012. Incandescent light bulbs were phased out in Europe between September 2009 and September 2012. Photograph: Ina Fassbender/Reuters

In 2009 the commission began phasing out the incandescent lightbulb, an extremely inefficient technology (95% of the energy they use is given off as heat, rather than light) which had been in use for 130 years. Fluorescent bulbs, which use 65-80% less energy, now dominate the European market."

But he probably doesn't know of the dangers, of which the People's Army are fully aware.

"Energy saving light bulbs 'contain cancer causing chemicals'

Fears have been reignited about the safety of energy saving light bulbs after a group of scientists warned that they contain cancer causing chemicals.

Their report advises that the bulbs should not be left on for extended periods, particularly near someone’s head, as they emit poisonous materials when switched on."

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8462626/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals.html

It's about choice, not dictats, it's about asking the people in a referendum, not stitch-ups in EU meetings where we don't have a say.

"Those seeking power next May have never been less powerful. As an additional twist, every poll suggests that the supposedly powerful are loathed for their lofty, insulated arrogance imposing measures from their Westminster bubble. The less powerful they have become, the more they are loathed.

Whatever their disagreements on other matters, every cabinet minister I have spent any time with, Labour or Conservative, agrees on one point. All despair at how difficult it is to implement change. Sometimes they admit as much in public. Trapped in a coalition, David Cameron protests that there is so much more he wants to do. His more radical advisers have left No 10 despairing of their impotence. Coalition politics is a recent constraint, but even with his landslide majorities, Tony Blair complained that he pulled levers and nothing much happened. When he worked in No 10 as a senior adviser to Blair, David Miliband used to joke that he read that they were all control freaks, when inside the building they felt they were exerting no control at all."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/19/politicians-seeking-power-2015-powerless

But the People's Army have long known these people are not powerful, that they are often told what to do, that they have to ask permission of higer-ups in the EU and elsewhere.

They are all elevated, selected and promoted from Oxbridge, but many are just actors, pulling levers, pretending to the people

"Tony Blair complained that he pulled levers and nothing much happened"

The People's Army seeks to give power to the people via referenda and PR and end the act which disguises how little power the actors really have.

And the other points, Claig you have addressed one point.
Oh, and wtaf is The People's Army? Are you on Citizen Smith now?

I'm not supporting any party now.

UKIP should have stu k to its original aim of BREXIT instead if morphing into a vehicle on which every looney tune, nutter, fascist and oddball can pin their own bigoted political prejudices.

The hierarchy can just about keep a lid on some if the very anti PC stuff that borders on bigotry and hate, but those below them and unused to the public spotlight need some seriously diversity an d media training.

I am sick if trying to defend the indefensible. The party shoots itself in the foot on a daily basis and not because of Press taunts or manufactured stories - no it manages to co it quite successfully itself. E.g. Breast feeding, Natasha Bolter affair, The Hamilton affair, the South Basildon selection of a previously deselected candidate, now deselected again, .. And that's just this weeks faux pas.

This morning Farage in on LBC defending the tight go call a Chinese meal " a chunky". just as well he's talking about meals as a lot of the party would deem that term OK to apply to some people

The party will,probably have totally collapsed by the GE anyway as the media spotlight is turned onto these dinosaurs and their knuckle-dragging views are exposed for the sham they are.

So I will strive for BREXIT but not via UKIP