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Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

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claig · 10/12/2014 17:51

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

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claig · 15/12/2014 11:37

"the other lot can all go and stuff themselves". So this is the sort of thing you want to say and you are prevented from saying by the politically correct establishment? I honestly don't understand."

No, that is the expression of opposition to the

"the mainstream political parties" who "are so in thrall to the prevailing culture of political correctness that they have ceased to represent the silent majority"

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claig · 15/12/2014 11:39

"Just don't tell the Tory this, or they'll nick it for their manifesto."

They can't nick it because they are modernisers, they are "politically correct", they are the Establishment, they are the metropolitan elite, they are as John Humphreys said, the "liberal Oxbridge males". For Heaven's sake, some of their top ones studied PPE. They are out of touch.

"And he said BBC employees are unable to understand the concerns of ordinary people because they typically have ‘sheltered’ middle-class lives and are overwhelmingly ‘liberal Oxbridge males’.

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Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 11:40

What do you want to say that you are prevented from saying by political correctness?

MonstrousRatbag · 15/12/2014 11:41

You know, all this is pretty funny, as long as you are white.

Those of us who aren't are grimly battening down the hatches in the new climate of 'People's Army' truth-telling. How long before we return to the situation I remember from the 70s, when being spat on and insulted in the street was not unusual and people openly told my father he was eminently qualified for promotion but would not be getting it because he was black?

I don't know what is worse, the fact that it all seems to be coming back, or the fact that the disaffected wankers who do it actually claim their belligerent vulgarity represents 'British values'.

Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 11:46

"Belligerent vulgarity". Brilliant expression. There's the "let's organise a peasant shoot" posh boy vulgarity, and the "I call a spade a spade" type. They are both equally unpleasant.

claig · 15/12/2014 11:47

MonstrousRatbag, UKIP have black candidates.

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Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 11:49

What do you want to say that you are prevented from saying by political correctness?

claig · 15/12/2014 11:55

I am not prevented because I am not politically correct. I think man-made climate change is a scam.

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Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 11:57

"I am not prevented because I am not politically correct. I think man-made climate change is a scam."

So do lots of other people. They are wrong, and don't understand science, but they seem not to be prevented from saying it.

Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 11:57

What else?

claig · 15/12/2014 11:57

' they seem not to be prevented from saying it'

Then they are like me, because nor am I.

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claig · 15/12/2014 11:59

'What else?'

How long have you got? Street lights turned off, minimum alcohol pricing etc etc

Why on earth do you think so many people have abandoned mainstream parties? They have had enough. It's not one thing, it's loads of things.

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Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 12:08

"Then they are like me, because nor am I"

Right so that's something that political correctness doesn't stop you talking about. How about something that it does?

claig · 15/12/2014 12:11

I don't understand what you are getting at?

I have said I am not stopped, Farage is not stopped and the People's Army are not stopped.

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RedToothBrush · 15/12/2014 12:11

Movie. No. That would be too classy. I'm thinking more of a Jeremy Kyle style affair on an daytime telly channel. They need to sort out their family feuds and this seems to be the existing format to do that.

Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 12:14

You said that the establishment uses political correctness to silence people. I just wanted some examples.

claig · 15/12/2014 12:17

RedToothBrush, there is obviously a battle going on at the top of UKIP. I think the Establishmwent are probably right in the thick of it, right in there, stirring it up, trying to stop UKIP. UKIP won't be able to "sort out their family feuds" because the Borgias has nothing on what the Establishment are throwing at them to stop them. This will roll on right up until the election.

Will it work? Will they stop the People's Army? We will have to wait and see.

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MonstrousRatbag · 15/12/2014 12:18

MonstrousRatbag, UKIP have black candidates.

I know, weird. It's like 'Jews for Hitler' or something.

RedToothBrush · 15/12/2014 12:22

Monstrous, I'm hoping UKIP carry on like this, because sadly its the best way to get them to implode and show up the fact that its unacceptable to behave like this.

The alternative is they gain credibility and then set the agenda, thus making the debate throughout politics take a lurch to the right to accommodate it.

If I don't laugh at it, I cry at the horror.

claig · 15/12/2014 12:24

'You said that the establishment uses political correctness to silence people. I just wanted some examples.'

I said they have an Overton window which you are deemd a "fruitcake" if you go outside. If you say man-made global warming is bullshit, then Gordon Brown called you a "flat-earther".

They can't arrest you, yet, for not believing in man-made global warming, it is not a thought crime, yet.

"Environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. lamented that there were no current laws on the books to punish global warming skeptics. . “I wish there were a law you could punish them with. I don’t think there is a law that you can punish those politicians under,” Kennedy told Climate Depot in a one-on-one interview during the People’s Climate March. The interiew was conducted for the upcoming documentary Climate Hustle."

www.wnd.com/2014/09/rfk-jr-wants-to-jail-climate-change-skeptics/#c8h3vTXoULvWhF9l.99

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claig · 15/12/2014 12:46

From a Telegraph article

"About the euro, and global warming, it turns out the 'thought criminals' were right"
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The othodox dogma about the EU and about climate change is rapidly collapsing.
The wider point these two pieces illustrated was the success achieved by the upholders of politically correct orthodoxies in taking over the institutions that represent the commanding heights of our society, and using them ruthlessly to ensure that no dissenting voices are heard. Any view contrary to their dogmas becomes what Orwell called, in Nineteen Eighty-Four, a “thoughtcrime”.

We saw this for years in the way that those daring to question the euro, or the onward march of the EU to political integration, were dismissed with contempt – by politicians, the BBC and every variety of the great and the good – as “fruitcakes”, “xenophobes” and “Little Englanders”. We saw it in spades as the promoters of “consensus” on global warming took over the commanding heights of the scientific world – such as the Royal Society, Nature, the universities (on a sea of climate-change related funding). Supported again by politicians and the BBC, they were determined to show the maximum intolerance to those who challenged their orthodoxy, however rationally: these were “deniers”, “flat-earthers”, “anti-science nutters”, who must be “in the pay of Big Oil”.

But in each of these important fields where dissent has been treated as thoughtcrime, the world has moved on - and very much as the heretics were urging for so long. The global warming scare has not continued to unfold as projected by those bent computer models on which it rested. Temperatures have not risen as predicted, the ice caps aren’t melting, nor sea levels rising, nor hurricanes, droughts and heatwaves intensifying as we were assured they would."

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9277302/About-the-euro-and-global-warming-it-turns-out-the-thought-criminals-were-right.html

Their whole "othodox dogma about the EU and about climate change is rapidly collapsing", and it extends to many other spheres too. They are losing. Their cosy consensys is collapsing. They never thought it would happen. They underestimated the people. They turned their streetlights off after midnight and didn't give a stuff. The elite is in disarray. The people have had enough and have started supporting the People's Army. All their plans are fallingapart, none of their spin works any more.

A man with a fag and a pint has said their emperor has no clothes and the people are laughing and the whole system will have to change.

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Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 14:15

Considering that 97% of the scientific community "believe" in man made climate change, the 3% that don't and their followers seem to get a pretty substantial amount of air time. Ditto Euroscsptics- I'm not sure what I think about the euro, and I never have any trouble finding people on both sides of the debate to listen to.

What else are you being silenced about? And is the silencing as effective as it is on the two instances you mention?

claig · 15/12/2014 14:26

The same effectiveness. It doesn't the People's Army.

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Hakluyt · 15/12/2014 14:27

So who is being silenced about what?

claig · 15/12/2014 14:39

The people. Their wishes and concerns are ignored by a liberal consensus.
Their voice is not heard on the BBC that they pay for, they are not deemed "politically correct", they do not agree with the metropolitan elite. The politicians don't address their concerns, often they don't even mention their concerns as if they don't exist. Turning off the people's street lights is a done deal for the politicians (whose salaries, expenses and perks are paid for by the people), the people don't even get asked.

"And he [John Humphrys] said BBC employees are unable to understand the concerns of ordinary people because they typically have ‘sheltered’ middle-class lives and are overwhelmingly ‘liberal Oxbridge males’.

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