Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

WetAugust ... Ukip, with their band of merry men have to poach Conservatives to get Westminster seats and you're telling me it's the Conservatives that has no longevity.

The core Conservatives economic policies that save the county from economic ruin stay the same, it has been Europe for the past splitting it, but how the EU turned out (before and after the 2007 crash) has shown many Conservative 'pros', it wasn't all cracked up to be.

Ukip have had many splits, including your 'kin Founder leaving, and Farage going and returning, so a one man orator party with brainless minions may be the answer.

Well your lot hot him really pissed so now he's given up beer. Cont worry we'll rehabilitate him down the George and Dragon.

Guido Fawkes says they sent Guy News to Clacton. They spent the morning in the streets but didn't find a single person who was going yo vote Conservative

Isitmebut. Hold your nose and try a UKIP meeting. You will see just what is happening. This Tory conference is as exciting as washing your car.

Midwives have just voted to strike by the way

Now is our winter of discontent made glorious summer by.......

Greengrow

Take it from a retired civil servant that cuts have not been made,
Cutting the payroll budget by sacking a low paid civil servant and replacing him with an agency provided £800 a day replacement paid for from a different budget is not a cut. It's just smoke a mirrors.

they may have fewer civil servant bums on seats but the number of buns on seats is the same- they are just privately hired expensive bums now

WetAugust …. Re your kind offer of trying s Ukip meeting.

If I wanted tribal entertainment with no consequences for my life or my childrens, I’d go to a football match.

If all Ukip have is happy clappy anti main party rhetoric, I couldn’t cope, I’m a facts person, I want solutions – and I’ve never been to a Conservative meeting in my life – and putting this together re the Conservative defectors, I can’t see for the life of me why any Tory could jump to Ukip for EU or or domestic policy reasons AND I wouldn’t want any player to stay at my ‘club’, who didn’t want to.

In fact I’d go as far as to say, in my late 50’s, highly horny and hetro, never having been ‘curious’ in my life, there is more chance of me becoming gay than go to a Ukip meeting.

FYI I not totally opposed to other parties, as based on Blair’s promises and landslide in 1997, I’m on record as saying that if they do well with the economy etc I would vote for him.

But that’s my default position, the economy, as with a strong economy a country can have so many social, housing, education and career options, but without it, it means no one wins. As whatever seems ‘fair’ will remain so until the money and the country credit line runs out.

iDS. Just said on a Sky Znews that one of the concessions that Cameron will be seeking during negotiations is the right to. Intros our borders.

That's the first time I've heard specifics talked of

Merkel and co have already said No to that though

This us where you are going wrong Isitmebut. You need to observe and understand your enemy. Not just rely on second Gand reports written by some party hack. You need to see it first hand to make sound analysis.

WetAugust . substantial cuts to government at all levels have happeded, it had to be as wasn't affordable and forming a large part of the deficit i.e. from Whitehall, quangos, non jobs, down to the numbers of hospital administrators.

Trusting Hospitals etc to RUN THEIR OWN BUDGETS and staff levels, if means through short staffed they have to bring in some outside contractors, that is not the governments fault.

Sometimes if you don't have the expertise, outside contractors may be needed, especially as the old civil service had been 'hollowed out' by getting rid of experience e.g. re Campbell if not FOR Brown, you were against him, hence few grey hairs around at the Treasury in 2007, when they were needed.

If I take the time to compile some facts, would you be prepared to acknowledge.

highly horny and heterosexual.

Do you have some paisley pyjamas perchance?

WetAugust .... I totally understand Ukip, it is a political party not a 2nd hand car, kicking the tyres at a meeting makes no difference to the reliability of the engine.

No p-j's, I swear, always up for a larf.

Isitmebut

They use consultants to rubber stamp what they have already decided.

Thanks for the offer of some facts. I always try to maintain an open mind.

"Now White Dee threatens to defect to UKIP: Benefits Street star tells Tory conference how IDS is 'out of touch with the real world'
Deirdre Kelly tells fringe event how Nigel Farage is not doing a bad job
Revealed she 'very well could' back UKIP at the next general election
Again hinted at a political career, but vowed to start at the bottom
Accused Tory minister Iain Duncan Smith of being out of touch
Wants more jobs choice because not everyone wants to 'build a wall' "

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773553/Now-White-Dee-threatens-defect-UKIP-Benefits-Street-star-tells-Tory-conference-IDS-touch-real-world.html#ixzz3EjfFUCUq

Everyone's gorn UKIP

I fear this is the beginning of the end for UKIP. When people like her are associated with the party it starts to lose credibility.

the media is whipping itself up into a frenzy with the thought of another defector during Cameron's speech tomorrow. There will be disappointed press when no one else defects.

Meanwhile Doris tells conference that Ukippers have sex with vacumn cleaners

Is this what politics has come to?

have they learnt nothing at all after those years if calling us fruitcakes? Diesnt he realise that insults just harden Ukip attitudes?

And he is seen as Prime Mimisterial material?

Yes, let's hope there is another defection soon and that hopes are not dashed.

Yes, Boris is a clown and all their insults play badly to the general public who are still undecided because it shows that they are sore losers and the nasty party as they attempt to insult opponents.

I never watched White Dee so I don't know much about her but I have heard that she was popular. But the fact that she doesn't rate Miliband and thinks the Tories are out of touch and thinks that Farage is doing a good job just chimes with what everyone else thinks too. I don't think it harms UKIP and if the Tories start trying to insult her, they will just come over as the nasty party again. So it is probably a win-win for UKIP.

White Dee is thinking about getting into politics. I don't know how good she is in debating etc but I think she may have come out on top over Katie Hopkins a few times, so she may have what it takes. Give her a role in UKIP if she is not politically correct and is in touch with people. There is a lot of good talent n this country that could run rings around these right-on professional spinners from public schools.

The Tories invited her to a fringe meeting at the conference. Some of their spinners probably thought she would have a go at Labour and give the Tories the common touch. But she ended up saying good things about UKIP instead, so it probably backfired on the Tories.

"Conservative Party Conference: White Dee on benefits, the common touch and why she might vote Ukip

Deirdre Kelly - better known as White Dee - speaks at the Tory conference today (Source: Getty)

After the defection of two MPs to Ukip, the Tory party has really been hoping for some popular support.

But if they were looking for it in the form of Benefits Street star White Dee – whose real name is Deirdre Kelly – they might be disappointed."

www.cityam.com/1411988753/conservative-party-conference-white-dee-talks-benefits-common-touch-and-ukip

Here is an old article by Cathy Newman of Channel 4 News

"Benefits Street: The Tories blew it - White Dee could have been the poster girl for benefits reform

As Benefits Street's White Dee says she'll be standing as an independent MP, Cathy Newman says the Tories wasted a chance to snap her up as someone who could, once and for all, represent regular constituents. Why should transferring from public school to Westminster make your average backbencher any better-qualified for the job?

If I was a betting woman, I'd have a flutter on the next MP for Birmingham Ladywood being one Deirdre Kelly. Never heard of her? Well, if you're one of the five million people who have been tuning in to Channel 4's Benefits Street, you'd probably know her better as "White Dee", the self-styled matriarch of James Turner Street.

Whatever you call her, the star of the show has set out her desire to make the journey if not from Benefits Street to Downing Street, at the very least from Winson Green, Birmingham, to Abingdon Green, Westminster.

And how she's been laughed out of town for doing so. But I think we should take her seriously.

She said she was prompted to declare her intention to stand when the Tory MP Kwasi Kwarteng scoffed at her ambitions by dismissing her in a newspaper column as "not a good role model", adding for good measure: "I don't think she's someone that the majority of people would want to see represent them."

Well I'm sorry to have to break it to Kwarteng, but she's probably a heck of a lot more representative of the constituents of Birmingham Ladywood than he is, although being Eton and Cambridge University-educated probably doesn't hold him back in his own nicely-cushioned seat in Surrey."

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/10648996/Benefits-Street-The-Tories-blew-it-White-Dee-could-have-been-the-poster-girl-for-benefits-reform.html

It struck me today watching the news when we were told of more tightening of benefits etc that will affect millions of people, that everybody announcing and talking about these policies is either a former banker, barrister, millionaire or Oxbridge graduate. It's ridiculous. No one the people keep get screwed everytime by an arrrogant out-of-touch elite.

"Angry Dave’s jibe at ‘fat arse’ Reckless"
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The Prime Minister toured the regional receptions getting steadily more pumped up in his anger about Reckless’s duplicity. Rumour is rife the words ‘effing Reckless’, ‘fat arse’ and ‘dick head’ were blurted out in various versions of a tub-thumping turn by Cameron. The Tories are going to fight Rochester hard – that was very clear by the time the PM arrived at Conservative Home’s late night reception for the 1922 Committee. By then Dave was in full blown Mr Angry mode, telling activists and media types that Reckless would be punished."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2014/09/angry-daves-jibe-at-fat-arse-reckless/

yep I read that too Claig. It sounds very credible given Dave's effin in Scotland and indiscretions red the Queen.

people who are under stress, as he obviously is, sometimes react in strange ways. He seems to drop his guard in desperation to get his ideas across and to try to be "one of us"

the more I see of him the less I like him. taking Selfies at Mandelas funeral was bad enough. He now seems to be in steam roller mode

I used to like Matthew Parris

The truth is out now.

telling the antis to leave the Tories.

Great damage limitation Matthew

Whereas Charles Moore definitely does understand the problem

Here they go again -we need to unite.

Sorry. We've conceded too many times in the past.

Good news is that Clacton will be even stronger after this interview.
If I were running the Tories I would be sacking my PR. Man

Give her a role in UKIP if she is not politically correct and is in touch with people.

White Dee? Really? Does UKIP need to recruit a dubious thief 'celeb' to get votes?

If Dee. Knew anything about politics I think she would find that Ukip is the complete antithesis of what she believes in and how she behaves. UKIP believes in personal responsibility.

Dee us a Labour natural Ed can have her.

Claig. I did watch Benefits a Street. UKIP does not need Dee Honestly

Yes, I don't know anything about her really, so it sounds like it may be a bad idea.

..apparently on benefits for "depression" which made her unable to work for years (the hardest illness to disprove so very popular with skivers) but does not apparently stop her being able to do a lot of other things. I am not sure why it's harder to clean the local bus station than it is to do public speaking and events if you have depression.