Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

Yes Joan. You're getting the hang of it now

So osbornes latest sweetener to get the Tories back in the fold is a the abolition of DEATH. TAX as all the newspaper headlines are screaming out.

read carefully. he is not abolishing Inheritance Tax. oh no. He's scrapping the tax on pensions inherited by other than spouses and only under certain age conditions.

well whoops woo. hardly anyone is affected and the cost to the Treasury is a whopping £150 million a year. I expect that Whitehall spends more on loo paper each year.

I think Ill stick with UKIPs promised abolition of Inheritance T ax instead.

the Tories have hot to stop his dissembling and tinkering with the really petty stuff.

as Ashcroft has already told them - they need something spectacular.

Hannan tweeted to tell us he was. Lack betraying with his children this afternoon. not at conference? He then tweeted to say he would make no further tweets

Curiouser and curiouser said Alice

Persoanlly I'm really please that Grant Shaps is hacked off.

The conference attendees that Sky interviewed didn't seem to bothered about the defection either. as one lady said "The buzz is already here"

if I ever use a phrase such as the buzz is already here. - please shoot me.

Studying PPE and being a 'fruitcake' are not mutually exclusive at all.

I think it is just fine to defect and force a by election as long as he pays for it, and as long as he loses. I predict he will only manage the latter.

If he find the conservative party so bad he can't wait for next year to change allegiance, he clearly wouldn't have been a member in the first place. The fact is he could wait, and not waiting will have zero benefit for his constituents or other tax payers.

Hapless tories crying into their cornflakes. Does it get any better?

Seek counselling Isitme - work related stress is a killer.

The atmosphere at the conference was electric, in stark contrast to the other conferences apparently. After Reckless' speech members were literally dancing on the stage. I believe that Britain is more than a star on someone else's flag - great line....

I had a good chat with a HS2 campaigner who attends all of the political conferences and has done for some years. Whilst not of the kippage persuasion he was agog at the hope and optimism which flowed from everyone around him. He described the PPP's ( paedophile protection party) conference as dismal and the worst he has ever attended. Poor chap was heading down to the tories though so there is always time to break new lows.

The Greens are mildly optimistic but the establishment failed parties know their time is up.

The conferences do seem to be circling the drain this year.

'Nigel Farage says he is talking to some Labour MPs'

Kate Hoey by any chance? She's an awkward fit in the Labour Party, seemingly disagreeing with everything!

interesting Henrietta

www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-29/labour-ukip-election-poll-seats/

Roch & Strood was marginal ish a few years back

Spin …… Mr Reckless, continually lying through his teeth, telling the press he is leaving the Tories for unspecified promises broken, JOINING a Ukip who have KNOWINGLY lied for 20-years on the possibility of the ONE EU policy they had (and now being PAID for that lie as MEPs) – has galvanized the Tories, lying about policies is clearly endemic throughout Ukip STILL peddling that lie, but its frowned upon by Tories.

Farage was crying into his Friday cornflakes, complaining Cameron just back from a UN Assembly in New York and immediately recalling parliament, was designed to steal Farage’s Ukip Conference thunder, obviously wetting his knickers waiting to announce Mr Reckless and deficit increasing tax giveaways, that makes the Lib Dem’s Tuition Fees pledge they couldn’t deliver ‘with the balance of power’, look like chump-change. lol

Re HS2, only fools don’t think our railways don’t need updating beyond the current investment in other lines – infrastructure produces economic growth and jobs for years, and as Ukip probably knew in 2010 when their manifesto called for THREE new rail electrifications, the UK in global infrastructures investment, had fallen from around 7th under Labour, to the mid 30’s – which is long term economic suicide, but good for Ukip's pathetic short term electioneering.

WetAugust …. Osborne who was told in 2010 by Labour, the IMF and probably Farage, not to cut the Uk government, Whitehall, quango fat/waste, give companies and lower paid tax breaks to help produce growth, and help State pensioners etc does not ‘just ‘tinker’.

UKIP Central Office has come up with a ‘deficit, what deficit’ tax give aways the Institute of Fiscal Studies will COST £19 billion a year; Osbourne taking some pensions out of tax, that will cost £150 million, a sector decimated under Labour – which is the more credible?

Ukip tell us ‘they want the balance of power’ in 2015, have they learned nothing from the Lib Dems in 2010 promise to cut Tuition Fees, as how will Ukip in a 2015 Coalition with Labour get those tax cuts through, when they say some will be financed by leaving the EU – yet Ukip cannot deliver an exit from the EU on their own, and certainly not in government with the Labour Party, which will happen if Farage gets over 9% of the 2015 vote.

Clearly any fool of a Ukip party who will never FORM a government can seek ‘headlines’ offering huge tax cuts when don’t have to worry how to fund education, defence, the NHS.

Any fool of a Ukip party would not have to worry about cheap electioneering, but expensive increases in National Debt, that in 2015, is likely to COST £75 billion in interest a year (to come out of the annual spending pot), that is TWICE our current Defence, budget or three quarters of our NHS budget.

Pathetic really.

Indeed, Julia.

Things she likes: Countryside alliance, fox hunting, gun sports

Things she doesn't like: Europe, cyclists, and somewhat debatably (she has bizarrely mixed voting record) gay rights.

Kay Burley on Sky News just now said there are rumours that another Tory MP could defect to UKIP as early as today.

OMG

In the Sunday Politics a journalist said the best thing for the Tories would be if the type of anti EU Tories that caused damage pre 1997 left now (even to join halfwits who cannot bring the UK out but pretend they can), and the Tories lose the 2015 general election - which makes sense for the Conservatives, but be a disaster for jobs and the country.

By 2020, the over taxed. heavily indebted and basic services under financial pressure country under Labour, with either the Lib Dems, or Ukip in coalition,will be in a deeper economic mess than 2010.

Only then will the UK understand the CURRENT economic competence and the stupidity of voting for Ukip's lies for Westminster power - and will be the end of Ukip. IMO

Last one out of the UK, please turn the lights out, if not gone out already due to Miliband's incompetence pre 2010 as Energy Minister without building one nuclear power station.

Kay Burley on Sky has just said

"the latest we are hearing is that we should be on standby for another defection"

maybe not today, but it is starting to sound like another one may be coming.

I can now understand why Farage's walk-on music at the UKIP conference was Elvis's "A Little Less Conversation". The King approves of Farage and knows he is all about action.

"A little less conversation, a little more action please
All this aggravation ain't satisfyin' me
A little more bite and a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
...
Come on, come on, come on , come on, come on, come on"

If the King had a vote, he would vote Farage, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Queen is purring too.

"Come on, come on, come on , come on, come on, come on"

Dear dear, you seem to be getting increasingly steamed up about UKIP Isitmebut

You need to stop harping back to the past and who did what to whom and start looking at. How to improve matters.

Am now listening to Francis Maude talking a load of crap about public services. What a lack of lies. Claiming he's made savings by sacking civil servants. - but then I see them coming back as 800 a day consultants because someone still has to do the work.

You should be glad that the Tory MPs are defecting. You can then have your nice safe Tory party and let F ave cuddle up closer to Brussels -just as Ed would.

You bang on continuously about the T ories being the only ones that will give us an election blah blah blah And I bang on constantly that I don't believe Dave's promises.

It's like having Mo Farah and a little old lady on crutches after her hip operation, both promising you that they will run a marathon tomorrow. You believe Mo but you know that the old dear is just delusional.

How many times are you going to quote Sky Kay and post rollocks, or is this one of your taking-up-space-to-turn-the-page-on-facts-I-don't-like, days? lol

WetAugust, have you read Mark Reckless's account in the Spectator of why he lost faith in Cameron and the Conservative party?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/09/mark-reckless-the-row-in-witney-that-made-me-lose-my-faith-in-david-cameron/

WetAugust ... I really don't care WHAT you believe, the Conservatives have a record in power over 35-years to this day, you have fallen for a Ukip who has knowingly lied for 20-years that they can bring us out of the UK and pathetic tax cut headlines - who's the numb-nuts? lol

This ain't a silly tribal game sweet-cheeks, this is the future of the country and my children within, so while I have no problems losing to a proper political party with values lasting longer than 1-year - I'd get the hump losing to a pack of pirates with no record telling lies of what they can do, while 'drip',drip,drip' running other parties down.

Why should half wits posting page after page of Ukip propaganda not be answered?

Are you are Ukip's tax cut promises would cost £19 billion, what would they cut?

'what would they cut?'

The modernisers' ring-fenced foreign aid budget, the quangos, green taxes, subsidies to aristocrats to erect windfarms, salaries of bureaucrats and the green crap for a start

Reckless' account seems very credible to me. it paints D ave as arrogant, bullying and closed to debate, It also reveals him as a petty poor negoiator. no would not trust Dave's negotiation skills at all.

It would be an empty referendum. Just going through the motions because he promised a referendum.

And if you think the 3 Leaders and their puppet organisations spared fear at the thought of a Scottish exit just wait until you have the collective might of the EU and the Americans scaring the voters into what apocalypse would await them outside the EU.

So, it's no longer about a referendum any more because I don't believe the referendum would be fair.

So I have nothing to lose by voting UKIP because that will not change the outcome in any way -we will remain shackled In perpetuity within the EU.

You need to face that fact.

Isitmebut

I am actually amazed that the Tories have held together as long as they have. This must a record breaking period without a raging internal civil war.

but the party will implode. It may be when they lose the next election. It may be when it tears itself apart in an EU referendum. But I am sure it will implode at some point.

Claig .... Mr Reckless knows the only way we get a UK Referendum, is via a Conservative 2015 majority, 2017 Referendum.

'Cameron not serious about electoral reform' is rollocks, as the EU is being run on Labour Party fat state, non competitive businesses, destructive principals.

But with a 2017 Referendum, as in Scotland, THE PEOPLE DECIDE, so it matters not a jot what cameron can reform, what he believes himself, or what he would like to happen - this really is quite simple and shows why Reckless, for whatever his Ukip prize is, was worth losing if that is the best he can do.

Are you telling me Mr Reckless believes Ukip can bring the Uk out of the EU without a parliamentary majority

The other peach is that 'Mr Cameron has not done everything in his 2010 manifesto', when Ukip ditched the whole of theirs and CAUSED the coalition the Conservatives are in, forcing them to compromise policies with a left of centre Lib Dems.*

If thats the best he can do you're welcome to him and god knows how long he'll last, he don't even drink pints of beer.

To be fair to Francis Maude he has done better than any minister in recent history in making genuine cuts in his department. He has really stood up to civil servants and cut a load of costs. Well done him.