Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

'I personally think the Tories haven't bothered to really contest '

This is desperate for Cameron. After all he is the Prime Minister of this great country and he is being humiliated by a maverick with a pint, not the Labour Party, but a party of what he called "fruitcakes".

He threw the kitchen sink at it, bigwigs, luvvies, Lords, compassionate conservatives, spinners and every moderniser in Westminster was toild to make 5 visits to save the modernisers' skins.

But now they have given up because the game is lost. Imagine what the people of Rochester are saying to them, to their faces, they probably can't believe it, so entitled did they feel. They are going to discover that the people are not politically correct.

They can't fight UKIP, they can't beat UKIP because UKIP is the people. The only hope for them is that they can maybe trip Farage up. But even that won't work, because we don't care if Farage stumbles because we think he is "one of us" and we might stumble too against all their professional spin machines.

They are in desperate straits and if it starts flooding, the howls of agony from the spinners in Westminster will be heard all the way to Land's End.

We are going to witness more panic in the next 6 months than we have ever seen. A maverick and a rag tag People's Army are going to knock the great and grand Conservative Party out.

The story of David and Goliath has nothing on this.

Farage and the people vs the luvvies and the metropolitan elite, that is why there is no way out for them, they are facing certain defeat.

Claig .. more UKIP spin from the 'Russian Front', of a glorious win for the leader - from the person who don't spin. Guffaw.

I thought we covered all your 'spin' denial in the last page, wanna go again???

The Rochester verdict was in weeks ago, the Conservatives wanted to win a by-election governments usually don't, but everyone has kinda moved on from worrying about it (according to todays Daily Politics) - apart from Claig, who STILL can't see what the failed Conservatives running the UKIP Party know, if UKIP can't buy sitting Conservative MPs to give them seats - what are the prospects for their 'home grown' fruit and nut product?

More Claig 'spin'...the 'ya ya' wine bar crowd, loses to the drunk down the pub. Priceless.

'The Rochester verdict was in weeks ago'

Of course it was, just like Clacton was and like everywhere else will be. They hope the public won't notice how easily a band of "fruitcakes" thrashed them, but secretly they fear what will happen in 6 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are feverishly studying more flood warning reports than economic forecasts at the moment. They will be praying to the Heavens not to bring rain, but it may all be in vain.

'from the person who don't spin'

The truth is not spin. The truth is hard to bear for modernisers but they are witnessing it right now on the streets of Rochester. They let the people down, and they are now pleading with the people to save them for a humiliating rout, but it is all over for them, of that I have no doubt.

Yes the anti government verdict was in weeks ago, it was a BY-ELECTION that the Lib Dems used to win but now in government, that UKIP could not with their own numpties the previous 5 times(?) - but with Clacton and Rochester, the people felt safe 'protesting' with UKIP as they knew the sitting Conservative MP rather than gambling some UKIP political reprobate would sit in parliament, in their name.

Mr UKIP Safe, rather than Mr UKIP Reckless, at this by-election.

'it was a BY-ELECTION that the Lib Dems used to win'

That is what BBC's Norman Smith said on the Daily Politics that some of the best and the brightest, the highest and the mightiest think it may be just a "byelection blip". But Norman then went in to say that he thinks "there may be something more fundamental going on".

Norman is right. Farage predicted it. He said "Rochester is their High Noon".

The utter panic will commence very very soon.

Claig ... UKIP says a 15% lead, it does not matter re the size of the loss the Tories only just took from Labour in 2010, unless in the media try to manufacture a story, there really are no prizes for second as UKIP found in all those other by-elections.

What WOULD be a concern to me, as I've said all along, is if it was a UKIP candidate breakthrough, rather than a calculated bet from the outset, from a UKIP supporting Spread Betting company owner, to buy sitting Conservative MPs - who would have to be replaced by unknown to constituency candidates, with no time to build the same relationships.

What would be a concern in a non EU election, if UKIP had held their own 2010 policies coming into this GE and were mainstream relevant, rather than a anti main party composite of policies, designed to appeal for cheap votes most will see through by 2015.

'UKIP says a 15% lead, it does not matter re the size of the loss'

It does matter to their decent MPs. They are not all modernisers, they have got some decent MPs and some are weighing up whether to defect before it is too late. Some of those good MPs will understand the people in their constituencies - in the Tory Essex, Kent and Hertfordshire heartlands, where no seat is no longer safe.

The people are in revolt, everyone and their dog has had enough. Modernisers are in big trouble wherever they seek to stand.

Claig ... there IS 'something fundamental going on', the emergence of far right wing political success in the UK, that has been seen in Europe in the 1930's and rearing its ugly head again as shown below - IT DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL END WELL IN THE UK, as it is socially and economically destructive.

'A grave moment for France': National Front sweeps to victory in Paris leaving Socialist government fighting for life - and in Germany a neo-Nazi is elected for first time in decades”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638965/Massive-victory-French-far-right-National-Front-record-quarter-vote-Euro-elections.html

• Germany faces having first far-Right candidate in decades
• Anti-Islamic party wins more than a quarter of vote in Denmark
• Radical left and far-Right in Greece both perform well
• Beppe Grillo's Five Star movement beaten into second place in Italy

In the UK we used to laugh at the BNP, but slippery Farage has worked hard to both PRETEND what UKIP isn't, and what they could do to 'improve' the lives of those in the UK - helped by purple minions like yourself on social media.

Farage nearly made it 'acceptable' to vote a far right wing candidate in Westminster, but needed a final push, and that has been done by re labeling Conservatives - hence Clacton and now Rochester, and why you lot are wetting your pants hoping for more Conservatives to defect - and for Xmas, hope a Labour MP, Farage/Wheeler will be sucking up to with all sorts of promises e.g. a Red Deputy Leader title. lol

Claig ... if panicking Conservatives can't 'grow some' and/or have the ability to campaign in 2015 on what has been achieved over a relatively short time - then let every last one of them join UKIP and peddle their anti EU/immigration story of what they CAN'T do, against Conservative constituency replacements in 2015, who will have the only objective/democratic EU solution, a Referendum in 2017.

You think like a moderniser. Can't you see the modernisers are going to lose, they are out of ideas, out of spin and out of luck.

Farage is not "far right" but that is what they call him. They think people are stupid. The best teenage Oxbridge think tank modernisers tell their great and good leadership that they should call Farage "far right" and tell them to try to frighten the people by telling them that their house prices will fall if they vote UKIP, and they think that will shut the people up.

But the people don't believe it, just like they don't believe in hugging hoodies, hugging huskies, hugging polar bears and all the rest of the green crap.

So by the modernisers keeping on about it, they just show the people how irrelevant, how pointless, how devious, how nasty and how contemptuous they really are. They think they were born to rule and everyone else out there is a fool.

They don't understand that we now laugh at them, mock them and their polar bears. Read some of Farage's interviews. he mocks them to their faces. He laughs at them and that is why we all vote for him, because we laugh at them too, and now finally someone has appeared who will stand up for us and laugh in their faces.

On the streets of Clacton and on the streets of Rochester people are laughing, in pubs they are laughing, when they see the "big hitters" with blue rossetes approach them, they start laughing.

They say we are "unBritish", and in true British fashion we just laugh at them even more. Yesterday we were "vile", but tomorrow we will win.

The high and mighty are being laughed at, the Establishment is crumbling because no one takes them seriously anymore. Farage openly mocks them, he calls them a joke.

It's over because everybody is laughing at them and their "compassion".

Farage is the boy who said the Emperor Has No Clothes.

'if panicking Conservatives can't 'grow some' and/or have the ability to campaign in 2015 on what has been achieved'

Haven't you learned teh lesson of Clacton and Rochester. They can't.

Cameron threw the kitchen sink at Rochester. Credit to him, he is trying, but it is not working and it can't work because he is a moderniser and everybody knows the Emperor Has No Clothes.

The lesson of Clacton and Rochester is that there is nothing they can do. This is about "hearts and minds" not the economy. They are panicking because they understand how bad it really is. Nothing is working, even "big hitters" and above all, "big hitters" are laughed at because the people think the term "big hitters" for those minnows and modernisers is just a joke.

Wake up and smell the coffee, look out your window, the People's Army is everywhere. The people have hope once again, they know that soon the politically coirrect class of PPEs, luvvies and modernisers will soon be off their backs.

Farage started off mocking Van Rompuy and we laughed at that, but it didn't mayyer because Van Rompuy doesn't need our vote.

But now Farage mocks Cameron, Miliband, the modernisers, the luvvies and the politically correct metropolitan elite and we are still laughing, but this time it counts, because all that lot are begging us for our vote, and as Clacton and Rochester have shown people are refusing to act like turkeys voting for Christmas, we have all had enough.

"Back at Sweet Expectations, Baldock offered a glimmer of new hope for the poor Liberal Democrats. He had put in two more yellow bonbons in the past three hours. “It’s going wild,” he said, laughing in the street."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/15/rochester-strood-ukip-analysis-greens-conservatives-labour

It is good old-fashioned British laughter that will bring the high and mighty down. Us little people, us "unBritish" "plebs" will beat the metropolitan elite just by laughing. It is a British revolution in the best British way.

On Friday morning, we will be laughing, we will take the piss. Surely you can't deny us that little pleasure after all their politically correct preaching at us?

And then TV news reporters who interview the bigwigs will start laughing when they listen to their explanations of why things went so wrong. Then backbenchers will start laughing. Then the Labour opposition will start laughing at PMQs (which luvvies wanted to "professionalise" and neuter). Then school children will start laughing. Then the whole country will start laughing.

And that is when you know it will be over. The people will have won.

Claig … post after post of useless (often childish) ‘ra, ra underdog Ukip saints’ propaganda, with little factual content, and certainly nothing of substance of why anyone should vote for UKIP.

Re Majors “unBritish” label of UKIP, I’m guessing he is referring to, as my comment, how in the UK (and unlike other European countries i.e. Germany & Italy) we are very sniffy giving Westminster power to far right wing parties, hence in the UK in the 1930’s, Mosely’s ‘Blackshirts’ within the British Union of Fascists didn’t do as well as those in Europe.

The BNP although far right wing nationalists, were ‘unBritish’ both in their methods and wider appeal, don’t you think?

BTW re the previous page and the ‘alleged’ Conservative view you mentioned that having a UKIP MP would lower home prices, it appears I was wrong assuming it was more of your ‘spin’, as I just saw a short paragraph on The Time on-line NAMING the MP, as a Mr Charles Walker.

Although I cannot see in what context he believes UKIP MPs will lower home prices, if within the 2015 overall political risk (spilling over into additional deficit/economic risk) I outlined in a post on the previous page, I’d clearly have to agree with him – but if his view is based on just re-badging Reckless as a UKIP MP, the man’s is both an idiot and spin-meister, worthy of a seat at the purple minion’s top table. lol

"The prime minister usually makes a trip or two. But Cameron has cleared large chunks in his diary – his first Cobra meeting since returning from the G20 in Australia after the release of the latest Isis video has been delayed until Tuesday afternoon – to allow him to pay five visits to the Rochester and Strood byelection."

That is how serious it is. The entire modernisation political correctness agenda lies in the balance

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/18/tories-rochester-strood-byelection-priced-in-ukip-win

"Ukip's rise reflects a growing willingness to complain

It may be profoundly unBritish, but the new-found readiness of voters to make a fuss is changing the political landscape"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11236306/Ukips-rise-reflects-a-growing-willingness-to-complain.html

The metroplitan elite used political correctness to try and stop us complaining, but people have had enough, we have passed the "tipping point" and the metropollitan elite are at a loss about how to stop us. All they have got is to call us "unBritish", but they don't realise that the most unBritish thing you can ever do is to call someone else unBritish.

"When the former prime minister called Ukip “profoundly unBritish in every way” on the BBC’s Marr Show on Sunday, did he mean that they were doing something that we are supposed to avoid at all costs: complaining?"
...
If Nigel Farage is Mr Angry and not very British, why are so many people prepared to vote for him and his insurrectionists? Ukip is going to win Thursday’s by-election in Rochester and Strood, beating the two main parties by a country mile if the latest polls are to be believed. Sir John is right to say that Ukip is against a lot of things but that is different from being unBritish.
...
Next May, MPs from 10 different parties will be elected to Parliament; and the chances of an outright majority for the Conservatives or Labour are disappearingly small. This atomisation of the political system is evidence that the diffidence and restraint that once marked out the British character have gone and Ukip’s rise reflects this new readiness to complain."

The article is wrong because when it matters British people have always complained like in the 1381 Peasants' Revolt.

We put up with our elites but when they patronise us and insult us and preach political correctness to us and call us "unBritish" because we vote against them, then we start to complain.

'Although I cannot see in what context he believes UKIP MPs will lower home prices'

Don't you understand how they use spin? They want to stop people voting UKIP so they will stoop to anything. They are desperate.

"post after post of useless (often childish) ‘ra, ra underdog Ukip saints’ propaganda, with little factual content, and certainly nothing of substance of why anyone should vote for UKIP."

I have explained that people are voting UKIP to kick the spinners out, not for your issue of the economy, so that we can get some real change and politicians start listening to the people. It's called "The People's Party" and "The People's Army" for a reason, because it is against them and for us.

'the man’s is both an idiot and spin-meister'

He is an MP in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire. It is an ultra-safe Tory seat. But it is in Hertfordshire, right near Essex. Nothing is safe around here. The People's Army is wreaking havoc in Tory heartlands. No spinner in the land is safe.

When I went to buy my milk at the village shop today, the shopkeeper gave me my change and said remember "vote UKIP, get UKIP" and I said "too bloody right".

'Although I cannot see in what context he believes UKIP MPs will lower home prices'

In case you don't understand the games, it was the same game we were told about in the press in Frinton during the Clacton by-election.

The game is to report to the press, as were were told in Frinton, that good citizens had told the spinners on the doorstep that they were voting Conservative because they were worried about their house prices if UKIP got in in case the whole town became tarred as "racist" and "unBritish" by the metropolitan media and that would cause their house prices to fall.

The spinners who allegedly were told this then told their metropolitan mates in the press who gave it big headlines.

Channel 4 News is on now and they are at a working mens' club in Rochester. They will be asking the question "is this the beginning of the end of the traditional three party system, a once in a generation political upheaval ... is this the end of British politics as we know it?"

The real answer is yes without a doubt.

claig. Have you looked at the Biography of Kelly Tollhurst . She is the kind of person you would like to have in politics. Kelly is as far from the Oxford PPE type stuff as you can get. It is a shame that on Thursday she is going to get beaten by the "Toff" and Public School Educated Mark Reckless.

I also feel very sorry for kelly Tollhurst because, I think she is a sacrifice for the Tory Party who we will never see again. The Conservative Party do not want an 11+ Failure "Lower middle Class" person as a MP.

Check out her Bio!....

In case you don't believe me that the same game was used in the Clacton by-election, here is the Daily Telegraph again reporting on fears of falling house prices if the unBritish party that won the biggest landslide in postwar British history was to win in Clacton.

The same stories will very likely appear near the May 2015 election.

There is a saying that was created for spinners, modernisers and Tories "desperate strokes for desperate folk"

"Fears over house prices in the area could spare David Cameron a humiliating wipeout, Tory strategists hope.

Many elderly voters living in smart, bungalow-lined suburbs and villages around Clacton's town centre fear that a Ukip victory on the back of anger over immigration in deprived wards would damage the reputation of the area, according to MPs who took part in canvassing.

"People don't like their town being talked down," said one source. Another pointed to research showing how house prices in Barking and Dagenham in east London sank after the BNP won a string of council seats as middle class families moved out, while values in surrounding boroughs rose."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11149953/Ukip-breakthrough-in-Clacton-by-election-would-be-a-Kratatoa-moment-says-Nigel-Farage.html

smokepole, you are exactly right. I like Kelly Tollhurst. She is a good person. I feel sorry for her that she is in that party of modernisers and spinners. She should join the People's Army.

But it is still great experience for her and she will learn what people in Rochester really think, not what the metropolitan media say they think.

She will be back and I hope she will join the People's Army and win a seat for them one day. We are tearing up their lawns and we need more good people to help us topple the spinners and finish them off.

" I think she is a sacrifice for the Tory Party who we will never see again"

She will definitely be back because the Tory Party need many more people like her because these Oxford PPE toffs are now an electoral liability because they are so far removed from the hopes and aspirations of ordinary, good, decent hardworking people everywhere.