Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

Cameron is powerless over climate change and powerless over the EU.

Farage will give power back to the people. That is why the Establishment are desperate to stop the People's Army.

You are correct, Farage is the 'different kettle of fish' who has tried 6 times previously to get into Westminster and failed, so voters getting up close to his morals must have smelled something a bit fishy each time. lol

How come the Conservatives are going to lose a by-election now over climate change, were they up 15% or down 15%, according to UKIP???

Was any new money pledged, or a shift of existing of existing monies?

Farage "to give power to the people" needs to remember what he has campaigned for over many years, before sniffing Westminster seats, allowing the UK an option to leave the EU - and the only way that can happen is via a Conservative majority EU referendum, giving all the people the facts before hand - but instead will allow a lose Labour, Lib Dem, SNP pro EU socialist block, make sure it don't happen.

BTW did I just hear on the Daily Politics, that according to a Lord Ashcroft poll (you often like to quote) that in Rochester, they say that those voting for UKIP/Reckless now, WILL NOT VOTE FOR UKIP AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION???

I guess that underlines what I have been saying with these figures;

In 2004, UKIP won 12% of the European Election vote, but only 2.20% of the 2005 General Election vote.

In 2009 UKIP won 17% of the European Election vote, but only 3.10% of the 2010 General Election vote.

P.S. That 'not so nice but dim' Tim on the Daily Politics at the end, stuck to the UKIP nothing to offer themselves, just attack other parties, and was outclassed by a Labour MP. Tim also repeated the UKIP propaganda that they could hold the balance of power, when as they ensure the largest party will be Labour, with the SNP and Lib Dems as coalition wing-men, likely within a loose coalition, voting on each pro EU issue and other leftie policies to pan hole our economy.

He is absolutely not our future prime minister

Amen.

"BTW did I just hear on the Daily Politics, that according to a Lord Ashcroft poll (you often like to quote) that in Rochester, they say that those voting for UKIP/Reckless now, WILL NOT VOTE FOR UKIP AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION???"

Yes that is an old poll and that is what the Establishment is praying for. But what it fails to understand is what can hapen between now and the election. Hardly anyone still votes Tory because they like them, it is now just that they think they have to in order to stop Labour, but that could all change in the next 6 months. UKIP momentum cannot be stopped in spite of the Establishment using every trick in the book to stop it, and the People's Army may welcome more defectors. Who knows what further embarrassments are in store from Juncker, the EU, election debates etc

But the really worrying thing is the weather

"MORE flood woe for Britain? Forecasters' shock warning of WETTEST winter for 30 YEARS

BRITAIN is about to battered by another bout of autumn storms as the country faces one of the wettest winters in 30 years."

www.express.co.uk/news/nature/536136/UK-weather-latest-Britain-flood-wet-winter-30-years

Cameron will say it's climate change, the BBC will say it's climate change, Channel 4 News will say it's climate change, the Establishment will say it's climate change, Russell Brand will say it's climate change, but Farage will say that's popptcock and the good people in Tory heartlands will say it's just another cockup.

In the Tory heartlands of Essex and Kent, climate change is laughed at. Those places are full of hardworking, decent people. They're not Westminster, there are no luvvies there.

Cameron will once again have to beg Guardian readers to save the spinners from the People's Army.

Now the Cult of Farage is writing what everyone else is going to say on the climate, and giving his answer - but they deny they are the type of 'fruitcakes' that talk to themselves. lol

Cameron relying on Guardian readers, thats new in the UKIP propaganda agency.

This was a report from February this year after last winter's terrible flooding where we found out that £4m had not been spent to dredge the Somerset Levels, but £4m had been spent on the Ethiopian Spice Girls. Cameron said something like money was no object, whatever was necessary would be spent. Let's hope it has been done.

"An incompetent response to the floods could lose Cameron the election

David Cameron can’t win the next election in the next three weeks, but he can lose it. If the floods see the government forfeit its reputation for competence, then the coalition parties won’t get the credit they need for the economic recovery. As John Major’s experience after Black Wednesday showed, once a government is no longer seen as competent, it doesn’t receive any of the credit for the good things that happen on its watch."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/02/an-incompetent-response-to-the-floods-could-see-cameron-lose-the-election/

Have you forgotten the legendary Su Burrows?

She was magnificent. Twitter and Facebook were going wild with people demanding "Su Burrows for PM" and I'll admit I was one too.

If Su has to do it all again, there will be panic in elite circles like you have never seen.

Twitter and Facebook will be full of talk about lavish, lazy luvvies in quangos and why aren't MPs out there with sandbags instead of swanning around in chauffer-driven Jags

Claig ... so now you want news headlines before they happen, if they happen, so shall we get into the facts - rather than tell us what UKIP offer that is different in the real world.

So I'm guessing that you have a list of all the work/money invested in flood defences nationally over the past year since the floods have lowered and can be worked on by the Environment Agency, may we have them please?

"Cameron relying on Guardian readers, thats new in the UKIP propaganda agency."

You have to keep up. this is important. This is the biggest upheaval in British politics since the 1920s. A ragtag People's Army led by a bon viveur with a pint, a panatella and the popular touch is about to destroy the Conservative Party.

"The Tories have not given up and are hoping that the Ukip support will prove soft as what they call “traditional Guardian-reading Labour supporters” vote tactically to prevent a Ukip win. Tracey Crouch told the Guardian: “This byelection is really competitive, we are getting some incredibly negative feedback about Ukip. There is a body of people, your traditional Guardian-reading Labour supporters who commute to London for a professional job, who are petrified of having Ukip on their doorstep.”

Crouch says Tolhurst has qualities Reckless will never match. “Kelly and I are both Leos, redheads and feisty. God help Medway and God help parliament is all I say.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/rochester-byelection-gets-personal-ukip-versus-tories

God help the Tories is all I say.

'So I'm guessing that you have a list of all the work/money invested in flood defences nationally over the past year since the floods have lowered and can be worked on by the Environment Agency, may we have them please?'

I haven't got them, all I am saying is I hope that Cameron has.

Let me remind me of what makes this country great. It is its people. Here is Su again. She is no respecter of bigwigs, bureaucrats, not even of the Bullingdon Club, because she is "one of us" and understands that they work for us.

Oh, so in other words, absolutely pathetic propaganda, clearly released too early by a Ukipper on a Rochester thread (without flood dangers?) pretending the UKIP party, run by a FTSE betting company owner and ex city oil speculator, is the party of the people. Got it.

More proof UKIP is the party of protest, rather than policy substance.

P.S. Any clips of the new Noah's Ark movie, to pretend this was filmed on the Somerset Plains? lol

'Any clips of the new Noah's Ark movie'

Haven't seen that one. Is that some sort of climate change movie with polar bears and stuff? I don't believe in all that, I like to keep it real, that's why I "vote UKIP, get UKIP"

I'm guessing this is your favourite time of year for films, with loads of purple magic dust being distributed by little people in funny hats, who should know better.

POOF ... UKIP send via train lines they no longer want to build, the 2 million public sector workers originally sent by Farage freight to work in manufacturing and industry .... to dig ditches and build dykes.

“At-a-glance: UKIP (2010) general election manifesto”
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm
• Reduce public sector to 1997 size, diverting two million jobs to manufacturing and industry
• Freeze public sector pensions, bringing them "back into line with typical private sector pension provision".

'I'm guessing this is your favourite time of year for films, with loads of purple magic dust being distributed by little people in funny hats, who should know better'

I don't like films about drug-addled members of Establishment lodges, the House of Lords and City quangos. My type of film is about "the people".

Well you have all those class 'issues' don't you, and prefer a meglo UK spread betting company owner, an ex city broker, and a bunch of talentless 'extras' to dictate direction to the gullible masses - how very old Hollywood.

I have no class issues - Farage went to Dulwich College public school and Stuart Wheeler went to Eton. Fantastic I say.

'a bunch of talentless 'extras'

What on earth has the Labour Shadow Cabinet got to do with any of this?

UKIP's 'not so nice, but dim' Tim today in the Daily Politics, clearly thought that Labour Shadow MP facing him was going to be a walk over, but ooooops - he even got little Timmy on Farages NHS video and no matter how he spluttered, he did not convince anyone that your glorious leader was NOT for insurance based health care.

As UKIP's seasonal Tiny Tim found out, the next several months will not be about UKIP either using news events (or as we found above, making them up and foolishly releasing them early) to attack other parties, it will all be about what UKIP stand for.

And that will be very interesting as you could formulate the best Jackanory of a manifesto in the land - but as you have "drivel" form, the foot prints of what you say you stand for now, 'the people' know can disappear with the spring snow, or in UKIPs case, slush.

I watched the interview and I thought that the Labour MP looked absolutely petrified of UKIP Tim's arguments. The Labour MP raised a lot of straw men and Tim knocked them all down. Then the Labour MP didn't know where to go. He looked to the left and looked to the right almost hoping to see a spin doctor that could help him, but alas there was none in sight.

Errrrr ... as a 'neutral' sitting in the blue corner, I felt the Labour man ( a dour looking bugger at the best of times, he looks like an ex copper to me) looked up for a fight, nay angry, at dim Tim - and the problem with most of your geezers, is they look at if they're off the streets and when they raise their voices, it sounds thuggish.

Having said that, IMO the Conservatives often come across as too calm on such shows as others shout over, they fight Marquis of Queensbury Rules, too few trench fighters like me, I luv a good rumble around the political facts jungle. lol

Labour clearly have 13-years of policy 'baggage', UKIP have 13- years of anti EU lying to voters what they could achieve to bring us out, both either end of the EU in/out argument when apparently over 50% of the peeps want to stay in - in theory, the EU Referendum after informed debates, is the best solution, as if both sides give it their best, 'the people' will give the correct verdict. IMO.

'he looks like an ex copper to me) looked up for a fight, nay angry'

He did look angry - angry that he hadn't been briefed adequately to take UKIP Tim on. He had obviously been told to go for the jugular, but Tim fended him off, cool as a cucumber.

'and the problem with most of your geezers, is they look at if they're off the streets and when they raise their voices, it sounds thuggish.'

That's the first time I have heard Carswell and Reckless described in such a way.

Are UKIP a party of 3 now, 1 demi-god leader + 2 Conservative wing-men?

Its all the other numpties I'm talking about, that Farage used to refer to as "herding sheep". Sheep with steel toe capped boots, no doubt.

He looks like a tic tac man at the races or a dodgy car salesman.