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Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

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claig · 27/09/2014 14:42

Panic in elite circles

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Isitmebut · 14/11/2014 15:05

Re Farage an ex city commodity broker, no doubt having enjoyed free company Private Health Care from the likes of BUPA etc – from NOW until the General Election are ‘kippers seriously suggesting that voters will trust a UKIP that in 2010 was so aggressively anti Public Sector within their own general election manifesto - but now have video proof that Farage is really anti free healthcare?

“At-a-glance: UKIP general election manifesto”
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm
• Reduce public sector to 1997 size, diverting two million jobs to manufacturing and industry
• Freeze public sector pensions, bringing them "back into line with typical private sector pension provision".

“Nigel Farage caught on video suggesting NHS should be run privately”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-caught-on-video-suggesting-the-nhs-should-be-run-privately-9857389.html

“Ukip leader Nigel Farage has been caught on film telling party supporters that the NHS should move away from the state-funded model, and towards a US-style insurance-based system.”

“The footage shows the Ukip leader say he would feel more “comfortable” if the UK’s healthcare was opened up to the “marketplace”.

“His comments, made during his Common Sense tour of the UK in September 2012, clash with the party’s current line that it is opposed to the privatisation of the NHS.”

I see this uneqivable proof, that while the Farage ‘man with a health plan’ may not put his anti free point of service NHS thoughts within the UKIP 2015 General Election – it could be an electoral game-changer, as if voting UKIP in 2015 means no EU referendum and additional concerns over our Public Services - one again has to ask, what is the POINT of also putting our recovery at risk, by voting for them?

Isitmebut · 15/11/2014 00:28

UKIP, whose purple minions post day after day about the "spin and modernizers" of the main parties, having disowned their ENTIRE 2010 General Election manifesto with an excuse it is a policy review, now says Mr Farage who sets their policy with Mr Wheeler, has changed his mind on a privatised NHS. lolol

"UKIP denies 'privatise NHS' claims"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30039533
”The UK Independence Party has denied Labour claims it wants to privatise the NHS, saying policies "develop and change over time".”

”In a video that has emerged from 2012, UKIP leader Nigel Farage proposed an "insurance-based system of healthcare".

”Labour leader Ed Miliband attacked UKIP over the NHS and other policy areas in a speech in London, saying the party had "got away with it for too long".

We are not talking about minor issues here e.g. allowing Syrian refugees here, where one moment Farage says let them in, then amends it to Christian Syrians only - we are talking about a core, mainstream policy that any domestic political party worth it's salt, has an ideological stance.

UKIP should at least tell us on this policy flip-flop, how did their NHS policy "develop and change over time" INTO an insurance based system of healthcare - especially at a time during the Great Recession, when the UK citizens could LEAST AFFORD TO PAY THE PREMIUMS???

How very 'in touch' with 'the working man'.

UKIP's entire 2015 General Election manifesto, won't be worth the paper it is printed on.

claig · 15/11/2014 20:47

With less than a week to go, the situation in Rochester for the modernisers is looking desperate. Newspaper reports detail the ease with which the "master of stealth and ambush", Nigel Farage, known as "The UKIP Fox", leads the People's Army to what looks like being a resounding victory.

It's hard to imagine that this was described by the Tories as being a "must-win" seat only a few weeks ago. It certainly turned into a "must-spin" seat, but it was clear they were heading for defeat.

"With just days to go before the crunch poll no senior Tories believe their once impervious Kentish bastion can withstand the Ukip People’s Army.

Like the US forces in Vietnam the Tories had overwhelming superiority in manpower and armoury yet could not subdue an ideologicallymotivated guerrilla force.

Ukip leader Nigel Farage is proving to be a master of stealth and ambush to rival the Vietnamese communist Ho Chi Minh. Tory high command is already attempting to send out a message that the Rochester and Strood poll will be quickly forgotten.

“There will be a by-election and then we will move on,” one minister shrugged.

Recriminations about the surge strategy pursued by Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps have already started.

"We were ahead in the polls in Rochester and Strood when the by- election was called.

Conservative HQ decided to throw everything at the battle and our lead evaporated overnight. It was just stupid,” one Tory backbencher told me."

www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/macer-hall/535741/Macer-Hall-on-Ukip-Tory-Rochester-and-Strood-s-by-election

The scene in Rochester went something like this. If only it were a dream, and not a real-life nightmare on the streets down there.

Down on the streets of Rochester at Tory Campaign HQ, the mood is despondent. There is panic in the air. Spinners who had once been arrogant and confident, looked like they were no longer all there. They opened newspapers and doom was everywhere.

"David Cameron could face no confidence vote if Tories slip to UKIP in by-election
Mr Cameron might be confronted with the nightmare scenario of more defections less than six months from a General Election"

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-could-face-no-4635160

Tory Campaign HQ was almost empty, the people of Rochester avoided it like the plague. The only people in there were some of the metropolitan elite down from London, miles and miles from their all expenses drinking den.

A Tory big hitter walked down Rochester High Street, but the people didn't want to know. He walked past a pub and the noise and laughter was deafening, he had never felt so low. Someone was bashing out "Roll Out the Barrel" on an old pianner and he could see a conga line through the window.

"What's that all about?" he asked
"Farage is in town," was the reply. The big hitter had never felt so down.

He saw a queue stretching almost a mile long outside the pub.
"What's that all about?" he asked
"They're all queueing for autographs," was the reply. The big hitter felt as if he wanted to cry.

He was relieved to get out of there, back on the train to London, back to the cosy, comfortable gravy train. He didn't want to go anywhere near the people ever again.

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claig · 16/11/2014 00:50

"EXCLUSIVE: Six Tory MPs to defect to Ukip if it wins Rochester and Strood by-election

UP to half a dozen Tory MPs are ­planning to defect to Ukip if their party loses Thursday’s by-election."

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/535878/Six-Tory-MPs-to-defect-to-Ukip-if-it-wins-by-election

There are no words left to describe the level of panic in elite circles. Pandemonium is probably the best way to describe the fear felt by those who haven't got the foggiest why the people have abandoned them, their spin and their PC agenda.

“There are many Labour voters who would never have considered voting for me because I was a Tory. Now I am Ukip they are willing to vote for me to rep­resent them.

“The Tory label was holding me back. I feel now I have been set free.”

Never mind you, the whole country has been set free

Ukip’s first MP Douglas Carswell, who won last month’s Clacton by-election, said he saw first-hand the support for Ukip among former Labour supporters as he joined Mr Reckless on the campaign trail last week.

He said: “I was in a traditional Labour ward and what really struck me and was reminiscent of my Clacton experience was that people that I just wouldn’t have even considered worth talking to to try and get them to vote for me are now willing to vote because the old party grounds are so contaminated in the eyes of the voters.

“In that traditional Labour ward there were a huge number of ex-Labour voters, who never in a million years would vote Conservative and who have given up on Labour, will now vote for Ukip.

“At times it took a while for me to walk down the street because there were so many people ­coming up to me.

“If things go the way I hope they will in Rochester on Thursday, then I think it is further evidence that Ukip are the first party in generations that have sussed out how to unlock the first-past-the-post system. The implications of that are huge.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/535878/Six-Tory-MPs-to-defect-to-Ukip-if-it-wins-by-election

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claig · 16/11/2014 01:07

You've got the People's Army - educated, aware, astute, switched on

and then you've got Cameron's Dad's Army - out-of-touch, out-of-luck, well and truly ... , politically correct and tuned out and about to be turfed out

"Don't panic, Mr Camwairing, don't panic"

"You stupid boy, Jones. Panic is the only thing left, spin won't work any more, all hope is gorn, the People's Army's tanks are tearing up our lawn"

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claig · 16/11/2014 01:22

"Cameron ally tells Tories to modernise or die"

www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3926055.ece

They did and look what happened.

With allies like that, who needs opponents.

Only a PPE could have come up with something as foolish as that, surely. No one else could have possibly suggested that, surely.

"Boles was a scholar at Winchester College before studying PPE at Magdalen College, Oxford, then winning a Kennedy Scholarship to study for a Master's in Public Policy at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Boles

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claig · 16/11/2014 09:21

"You're better off with me, insists Cameron, as Ukip declare victory in Rochester"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11233620/Youre-better-off-with-me-insists-Cameron-as-Ukip-declare-victory-in-Rochester.html

Who is he talking to? The luvvies, of course they are better off with him, that's why they are the only ones left voting for him.

"Lord Ashcroft’s polling [in Rochetser] showed Ukip is on course to win 43 per cent of working class voters, with 13 per cent going to the Tories and just 11 per cent to Labour."
...
Ukip strategists are now so confident of sweeping gains that they no longer regard winning over Tory and Labour defectors as a priority.

“We are smashing the Labour vote to piece. This is not a straight fight between Ukip and the Tories. Labour is disappearing in the south of England,” Mr Farage said."
...
A leaflet contrasting Tory candidate Kelly Tolhurst’s life in the town with Mr Reckless’ Oxford education and career in the City was described as “completely stupid” and “total c---“ by MPs.

“The best thing David Cameron should do if they want to win the general election is burn Central Office down. It’s a total mess,” said one.

“To build up expectation that we were going to win this seat, and then lose, Mr Cameron will have serious questions to answer.”

"Wot larks, Pip, wot larks" as one of the greatest people who ever lived and walked the streets of Rochester would say

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Isitmebut · 16/11/2014 12:41

Claig … your by-election 'reports' are sounding more and more like Russian and North Korea state propaganda, for what is just a by-election government rarely win and the growth of far right parties like UKIP, across most of Europe.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638965/Massive-victory-French-far-right-National-Front-record-quarter-vote-Euro-elections.html

The fact is Europe has far worse economic/financial/social problems than the UK, mainly due to the policies of a Cameron/Conservative led coalition from 2015.
“Eurozone dodges triple-dip recession but submerges in 'lost decade’.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11231618/Eurozone-dodges-triple-dip-recession-but-submerges-in-lost-decade.html

”The eurozone has averted a triple-dip recession but remains stuck in a deep structural slump, with too little momentum to create jobs or to stop a relentless rise in debt ratios.”

So in Europe, people wanting all their country problems to go away are voting for far right political parties think they have nothing to lose, whereas in the UK they have the current recovery to lose – and will come to realise that the closer they get to the 2015 General Election.

The fact is in 2015, a UK still held back by an annual budget deficit of £100 billion, can only reduce it with LESS citizen pain/cuts by ECONOMIC GROWTH, but UKIP who want to INCREASE that annual deficit for our grandchildren, will also bring huge political & economic risks to the UK over a very difficult global 5-year period, for what?

The fact is UKIP have nothing positive to offer the country, or the ‘Westminster elite’, Mr Farage in 2015 will try to join for the SEVENTH time.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11231687/Nigel-Farage-is-desperate-for-Ukip-to-join-the-cosy-Westminster-clique.html
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-calls-for-mp-pay-rise-to-100000--just-weeks-before-announcing-where-he-will-stand-in-2015-9593756.html

And come the General Election, the FACTS show the voters don’t trust an anti Public Sector, anti free NHS party, especially a UKIP who’s last General Election manifesto was rubbished by Farage after they polled nearly 1 million votes – and use their heads over the Moonies like Cult of Farage mantras.

In 2004, UKIP won 12% of the European Election vote, but only 2.20% of the 2005 General Election vote.

In 2009 UKIP won 17% of the European Election vote, but only 3.10% of the 2010 General Election vote.

UKIP anti politics mantras and soundbites, or a Conservative UK Referendum in 2017 on the EU, and UK growth next year likely to be 10-times that of France, who followed Labour’s 2010 economic policies – but thanks to UKIP, will get back in power in 2015?
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-blames-london-election-performance-on-difficulty-appealing-to-the-educated-and-cultural-9423200.html

claig · 16/11/2014 14:10

"In 2004, UKIP won 12% of the European Election vote, but only 2.20% of the 2005 General Election vote.

In 2009 UKIP won 17% of the European Election vote, but only 3.10% of the 2010 General Election vote."

But can't you see that is exactly why the spinners, the modernisers and the progressives are all panicking. UKIP are going to scrap FPTP, they are going to reform the postal voting system, they are going to introduce PR. The panic is palpable. Everybody and their dog knows the game is up.

It was the Tories, the bigwigs, the Bullingdon Club members and the metropolitan elite meeja who told us what a great man and great MP Douglas Carswell is. I prefer Farage, but I'm just one of the millions of ordinary UKIP voters, one of the "fruitcakes", so what do I know? Maybe Carswell is the real deal as the great and the good all say.

Here is what Carswell has said

“If things go the way I hope they will in Rochester on Thursday, then I think it is further evidence that Ukip are the first party in generations that have sussed out how to unlock the first-past-the-post system. The implications of that are huge."

Cameron has said the following about the Rochester byelection

"the contest is just “another sort of notch” for Nigel Farage."

A notch? Is he for real? There are livelihoods of Tory MPs all over Essex and Kent at stake here. Does Cameron know what the people all think? Can you imagine the reception that the Tories must be getting at the doorstep all over their former heartlands. I know what I would tell them, and I'm mild, I'm still on the fence about UKIP, but from the people I have spoken to, I can only draw the conclusion that they are all "UKIP fruitcakes", they're all raving nuts about UKIP, not mild and measured like me.

Tory MPs are trembling. This may be a notch for a millionaire Bullingdon Club member, but it's a nightmare out there in former Tory heartlands. No one has got a good word to say about the politically correct progressives, and they all know it.

And Cameron went on

“They will all celebrate with a pint in the pub"

Of course we will, and we will have more than one pint. Congas will still be going in the early hours even though the politically correct progressives turned all our street lights off after midnight to "save the planet". If Cameron thinks that "minimum alcohol pricing" modernisation is going to stop the people having a knees-up, he could never be more wrong.

Doomsday is Thursday, bring it on!

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Isitmebut · 16/11/2014 23:45

What a shame, General Election after General Election, by-election after by-election, UKIP cannot win a Westminster seat WITHOUT buying a sitting Conservative MP - what that does that say about the 'fruitcake quality control ' of UKIP political wannabee Candidates WITHOUT the Eaton education that got us OUT of the mess, not into it?

U-KIPPER Carswell was bought with 'Deputy Leader of UKIP', Reckless is probably just happy to keep his salary, no fancy title needed, as Rochester was a solid Labour seat before the 2010 General Election.

UKIP is funded and directed by a FTSE company owner Wheeler, asked to leave the Conservative Party, and Farage, ex city commodity broker, who never made it as a Conservative MP after several attempts - no wonder UKIP NEED sitting Conservatives to get into WEstminster.

Claig ...as for "modernizing", how dumb, nay stupid is that pathetic accusation of the Conservatives, when UKIP modernize their entire policy list every few years and has clearly changed - just not into a serious party to confront serious issues - ask the Professor who founded them..

“Ukip Founder Alan Sked Says The Party Is 'Morally Dodgy' And 'Extraordinarily Right-Wing'”
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-morally-dodgy_n_2190987.html

claig · 17/11/2014 00:21

"just not into a serious party to confront serious issues - ask the Professor who founded them"

How many votes did he get and how many votes did Farage get and how many votes will Cameron's Dads' Army get in Rochester compared to the People's Army?

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claig · 17/11/2014 00:23

Rochester is a battle between two armies - the People's Army and the Barmy Army and it looks like the Barmy Army will be out for a duck.

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Isitmebut · 17/11/2014 00:44

How many Westminster seats UKIP's Professor Sked get using UKIP, rather than Conservative sitting candidates, and how many UKIP candidates has Farage got into Westminster - the difference was under Sked is was about the EU, whereas under Farage it became a closet National Front type party, which is the "morally dodgy" bit.

The only similarity is the ability of a UKIP under any leader, to put together a joined-up-policy domestic manifesto to solve the UK's economic and other problems

Rochester (and Clacton) by-elections were CORPORATE battles, where UKIP's FTSE betting company owner calculated that if they buy-out the sitting Conservative MP, leaving the government unlikely to win the seat anyway with a brand new candidate without constituency relationships - it was a slam-dunk win, no matter how hard the government fought.

Clearly Wheeler/Farage are experts at managing what they see at punters, as they were not prepared to risk going to a 2015 General Election with the UKIP home grown 'product', without some momentum, having first 'acquired' a few sitting MP seats,* FACT.

claig · 17/11/2014 07:12

Then how did you explain the sheer panic and desperation in Rochester as the UKIP insurgency braches the moat paid for on expenses by the people who have had enough?

"Love bombing", the last refuge of scoundrels and luvvies, has failed. The Guardian reports that the good people of Richester - decent, honest, hardworking folk - "not only distrust mainstream politicians but seem to have become hostile to their advances"

It's all hands to the pump as the Prime Minister rolls his sleeves up to try and stem the UKIP tide.

"The prime minister has tried his best to hold back the Ukip tide. He has visited Rochester and Strood four times already. Until recently there was a convention that prime ministers stayed away from byelections. But with Clacton having already fallen, this one was simply too important. He had to stop the rot. However, such is the strength of the anti-politics mood that the tactic of “love-bombing” seems, if anything, to have backfired. Rochester and Strood is full of people who not only distrust mainstream politicians but seem to have become hostile to their advances."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/15/rochester-strood-ukip-analysis-greens-conservatives-labour

The good people of Rochester witness the panic and just laugh. "They ignored us for years," they almost say, "now we'll make 'em pay". They are harsh taskmasters in Rochester, for they are the people and their will is paramount, which is why bigwigs and spinners will panic at the count.

And the good people of Rochester, long suffering and hard done by by the Westminster elite, still display the politeness and decency for which they are so renowned. How different they are to the spinners!

“Excuse my English, but I am pissed off with the Tories. They are everywhere here, and what have they done for me?” asks John Anderson, a middle-aged man on sickness benefits. A local businessman queueing at a cash machine says the whole town is heartily sick of their visitors from Westminster and their sidekicks. “Every 10 yards there is someone with a rosette on. We just want it to return to normal,” he says.
...
"Everywhere the old order is being challenged, as the parties with recent experience of government are losing ground to the newcomers"
...
Among the team down for the day was Baron Newby of Rothwell, the deputy Lib Dem chief whip in the House of Lords, who when asked how his party would fare, freely admitted that they would struggle to hold on to their deposit.

Back at Sweet Expectations, Baldock offered a glimmer of new hope for the poor Liberal Democrats. He had put in two more yellow bonbons in the past three hours. “It’s going wild,” he said, laughing in the street."

Everyone's laughing, everyone's celebrating, we haven't had such fun for years - spinners, modernisers, bigwigs, luvvies, Lords and Ladies, Dames and Sirs, Barons and Baronesses are in fits of tears.

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claig · 17/11/2014 08:35

Wow, this is a blistering analysis from a top journalist, Leo Mckinstry, who once, a long time ago, was a Labour councillor and a parliamentary aide to Harriet Harman.

"A Ukip victory will transform the landscape of British politics

THE political establishment is quaking with fear.

Its cosy cartel is coming to an end, broken by its contempt for the British people and for Britain’s national interests."

www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/536154/Ukip-victory-will-transform-landscape-british-politics

I could almost have written this myself. So true. They have contempt for us and now we have contempt for them too.

"Such a result will cause dismay within Westminster."
...
"Yesterday their campaign plumbed new depths with a laughable attack on Ukip by the former premier John Major, the hollow man of Maastricht and the Cones Hotline.

Brimming with a deluded sense of his own wisdom, the arch mediocrity who presided over Black Wednesday and the biggest Tory electoral defeat since 1906 was wheeled out to denounce Ukip as “profoundly unBritish”.

As usual, Major was talking bilge.

To accuse Ukip of being unpatriotic because of the party’s refusal to follow the fashionable orthodoxy on open borders, foreign aid and surrender to Brussels is a trick adopted by that other loser Nick Clegg.

But the criticism is absurd.

There is nothing remotely unpatriotic about wanting to keep our democracy, sovereignty and heritage.

If we remain in the EU there will ultimately be no Britain.

If we maintain uncontrolled immigration, there will be no British identity.

Sir John’s assault just illustrates how badly rattled the political establishment really is.

The mainstream politicians have no answer to Ukip’s claim that they have fundamentally betrayed this country.

So they just fall back on childish abuse and empty slogans.

But the public has seen through deceitful, bullying propaganda.

That is why Ukip surges in the polls while the two main parties see their ratings plummet."

Couldn't have put it better myself

"Nor is their candidate, Naushabah Khan, a convincing local champion against Westminster rule, for all her blather about fighting for the NHS.

A 28-year-old lobbyist, she is the embodiment of the progressive metropolitan elite, having previously worked as a policy aide in the Commons, the European Parliament and the Department of Education.

If Reckless wins, the turmoil in the two main parties will intensify.

There is now speculation that at least five more Conservative backbenchers are ready to defect.

Those who remain will be now be even more fearful of the onward advance of Nigel Farage’s party.

Recent victories at Rochester and Clacton would show that vast numbers of suburban, southern English Tory seats are at risk, especially in Kent and Essex."

"There has been nothing like it since the 1920s, when the rise of Labour transformed the Liberals from a party of government into an irrelevant fringe group.

This time both main parties could suffer a permanent, catastrophic decline in support, which would be no more than they deserve after the way they have misgoverned Britain."

Devastating stuff.

Everywhere you go, people are doing a thumbs up for UKIP, people are saying we are voting UKIP. All you hear is people saying and sometimes whispering outside of the earshot of the metropolitan elite

"Vote UKIP, get UKIP"

and the panic in elite circles is at catastrophic levels. This is a climate of catastrophe for the politically corret spinners. Everyone and their dog has passed the "tipping point".

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claig · 17/11/2014 08:47

"There is now speculation that at least five more Conservative backbenchers are ready to defect."

Millions and millions of people are now hoping that they will find the courage to defect and stand up for the people against this politically correct metropolitan class.

They called us "fruitcakes", they mocked us and jeered us, said we were "vile", "unBritish" even. Well we are laughing now.

As Dickens, the greatest citizen of Rochester, said

"Wot larks, Pip, old chap, wot larks".

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Isitmebut · 17/11/2014 10:41

Claig ... why are you repeating the same dumb propaganda on the same page, other than move the page along from the facts that prove you are talking complete rollocks.

I've pointed out time and time again, you are only winning BY-ELECTIONS with Conservatives, then you say us 'fruitcakes' are winning seats, when you clearly have not - and then go on to rejoice at the prospect of getting five more of the Conservative "Westminster elite" to do the job the "vile" candidates you put forward that don't win - not very consistent in your ramblings on are you?

Vote 2015 UKIP/get Labour and the SNP and THEIR votes on English laws and extra demands from the English taxpayers.

Isitmebut · 17/11/2014 10:45

Q. When is a Westminster elite Conservative, not a Westminster elite Conservative?

A. Apparently when they join UKIP. lolol.

claig · 17/11/2014 10:47

'When is a Westminster elite Conservative, not a Westminster elite Conservative? '

When they put their old ways behind them and join UKIP.

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claig · 17/11/2014 11:44

"UK donation to Green Climate Fund gives David Cameron byelection jitters

Pledge worth hundreds of millions of pounds on day of Rochester vote could hand political ammunition to Ukip"

Britain is due to pledge hundreds of millions of pounds to a new Green Climate Fund in Berlin on the same day as the critical Rochester byelection, threatening to hand political ammunition to Ukip.

David Cameron betrayed anxiety about the coincidence – and its impact on potential Ukip supporters opposed to overseas aid or sceptical of climate change – by refusing to say how much Britain is likely to offer and stressing the funding would come from existing government funds.

He said: “All we have to do now is to decide how much of this already set aside money we put into this specific fund and, as ever, Britain will play its part.”

Aware of the mood on his own backbenches, he reiterated: “When we make an announcement it will not be new money, it will be money already set aside for that purpose.”

Government sources said the British contribution at the pledging conference is likely to be hundreds of millions, and independent sources said they expected it to reach £1bn."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/16/uk-donation-green-climate-fund-byelection

Poor bloke, he has got no choice, he cannot say no like Farage can.

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Isitmebut · 17/11/2014 12:14

Farage can say and do what he wants to the Cult who sit there drooling over his every word, as without a manifesto he stands for nothing, and opposes everything, including a free NHS.

Of course Ukip won't condemn its racist new partners, because Ukip is the cult of Nigel Farage

“Ukip has allied itself with racists and Holocaust deniers - but as long as that's OK with Nigel Farage, the cult leader, don't expect a peep of condemnation from within the party”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11179456/Of-course-Ukip-wont-condemn-its-racist-new-partners-because-Ukip-is-the-cult-of-Nigel-Farage.html

claig · 17/11/2014 12:19

Why does Cameron have no choice but to say yes, no option, no way Jose, and yet common sense Farage can say no with ease?

How is the People's Army different? Why is there such panic about what it will change and mean? Why are the people joining the People's Army so fast and in such numbers?

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claig · 17/11/2014 12:25

'Tories fear UK donation of millions to climate fund could lead to by-election defeat'

metro.co.uk/2014/11/17/tories-fear-uk-donation-of-millions-to-eu-climate-fund-could-lead-to-by-election-defeat-4951246/

Why with a headline like that can Cameron not pay, postpone it and say no way Jose? What's going on, what's going wrong and why is UKIP right and giving them such a fright?

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Isitmebut · 17/11/2014 12:35

Why, because who the frick IS Farage, other than the head of a far right nationalist party who has lied to voters for years that UKIP could bring us out of the EU and/or curtail EU immigration whilst IN the EU?

Cameron is the P.M., responsible for hundreds of government policies across several large ministries, within a coalition with tree huggers, that UKIP voters put him into - who .

Farage don't care we have 1.8 million new jobs since 2010 and growth 10-times that of France to help pay off our budget deficit, Farage from the cheap seats, lives to find things he opposes for cheap votes, as he is the not-so-cheap politician, who suggests MPs once he gets there, earn £100,000.

If Cameron said a half of the questionable things Farage has said/done e.g. claim £2 million in taxpayer expenses to fund UKIP up to 2009, little purple minions like you would be ALL OVER Cameron - but that is what your cult is all about.

claig · 17/11/2014 12:46

'who the frick IS Farage'

He is our future Prime Minister

'Cameron is the P.M., responsible for hundreds of government policies across several large ministries, within a coalition with tree huggers'

No, Cameron is not doing it because of LibDems, he is doing it because he has no choice whatsoever, even though many Tory MPs are fuming and think it will mean losing a byelection that is crucial to stopping the People's Army. Cameron is powerless, Farage is a different kettle of fish.

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