Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

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Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

Peter Hitchens on Cameron and the EU

Bernard Jenkin was talking to Andrew Neil earlier. I think he was pro waiting for the results of Dave's negotiations.

As nett immigration is currently increasing our population by a city the size of Cardiff every year, by the time we have this referendum in 2017 and by the time they would actually get a round to changing the Treaty we could have 4 more cities the size of Southampton. It's scary.

I cannot understand why the Tories are letting this crazy unplanned situation continue?

We known that the EU ideology is ever closer union and we know that for decades the UK has tried to counter this deeper union by wider union I.e. By inviting as many countries as possible to join in the hope that the entire Tower of Babel collapses under its own weight

We have reached that stage but Dave instead of calling for a halt, Dave seems to be reading from a different script.

The more we include countries in the EU that border Russia and the more we aim to include countries like Turkey that are Islamic and have borders with very unstable countries the more that being in the EU increases our likelihood of war

But as Dave have shown himself very ready to go to war it probably doesn't matter to him

'I cannot understand why the Tories are letting this crazy unplanned situation continue?'

They have to, as do Labour and the LibDems. There is a elite far more powerful than our parliament and it it is they who set up the EU. They want the end of nation states, they want the free movement of capital and labour, they want open borders and globalization. It is the same as the original Marxist goal, but it is big business who want the same one world government, a Europe and Britain of regions that are beholden to a central committee power base that is unccountable to the people. and can ban their vacuum cleaners without asking the public.

The few MPs who are not in favour are mavericks, just as UKIP is called maverick and fruitcake. Big business will try to scare the people back into their box in any future referendum, because that is what the global elite want. They don't want independence for the people, they don't want UK independence.

I must dust off my copy of James Goldsmith - The Trap

Do you follow Adam Boulton and Roger a Helmer?

Heavy hints being dropped about the next defector.

Helmer has an interesting map showing the number of UKIP councillors called the Purpling of Britain

what time us Dave's speech tomorrow?

The US wants us in the EU, it doesn't want us to collapse it, instead it wants to expand it like we do by inviting more countries to join, just as it wants more countries to join NATO too. The elites want to eventually converge it with other regional economic unions until a one world union is created.

The French, in particular, and the Germans are less keen on that. Chauvinism is a French word and the French are nationalist, as we can see with the success of Le Pen. They do not want to cede their sovereignty by enlarging the EU ever further. But some of their elites are part of the same global elite.

In the end the whole thing will fail as it is against the natural order. People will still have allegiance to nation states and want self-determination and self-government whatever the elites try to do.

In the end the elites will try to frighten the people to go along by threatening economic collapse, but they can't fool billions of people forever and people no longer believe the lies and the media spin.

Dave's speech is 11.30 - 12.30

I think Farage will pull another rabbit out of the hat

Tweet from Hannan

"Thanks to all the Ukippers Tweeting "We wouldn't have you anyway". All agreed then"

No we don't want him. I don't think he ithe real deal.

I seriously do not want Hannan.

I think it would be a disaster if he came over

Read the account of a reporter telling Bill Cash that his don had defected. He had no idea and has 'dissociated himself' from this

very sad

France doesn't want Turkey because it's an Islamic country. Same with Germany.

Yes because it is worried about immigration and losing its cultural identity over time.

Dear me ..... is that all you are worried about within the political nationalist/terrorist party, that the government of the day with so many pressing problems, will have their conference ruined by Farage's petty party tricks with a 'rabbit'?

Re Hannan not being 'the real deal' and 'you wouldn't have him', come on get real.

Hannan is the real deal because he has balance and logic that for whatever 'prizes' defecting Conservatives are offered e.g. Carswell's Deputy Leadership of Europe, it is politically impossible for Ukip to ever deliver what they promise e.g. the UK leaving the EU, in fact they knowingly will stop a Referendum for power.

And 'wouldn't have him', you'd have any 'Westminster elite' Conservative with a pulse, for a cheap headline and fast track to a Westminster elitist seat. lol

you'd have any 'Westminster elite' Conservative with a pulse, for a cheap headline and fast track to a Westminster elitist seat. lol

So true!

He's nothing more than a self publicist. The Tories may revere him but I doubt the kippers would see him as totally on their side.

So. Another set of promises that Dodgy Dave wouldn't be able go keep.

The prospective EU Commisioners were already saying his promises were hollow and unachievable before he'd even left the conference platform

WetAugust ... Ukip for 20-years obtained votes on a lie, Cameron has delivered what he could from 2010 via the Coalition Ukip voters pushed onto the country fooled by the "drivel" manifesto.

The rest are as can be afforded in next parliament 'direction of travel' type policies they delivered from 1979 to 1997.

Businesses had just started to invest/hire, before faced with 2015 Labour Party.

A Conservative majority in 2015 will encourage far more investment/growth/jobs, and become self fulfilling.

'you'd have any 'Westminster elite' Conservative with a pulse, for a cheap headline and fast track to a Westminster elitist seat'

This is a downright lie.

Any member of the Westminster elite who wishes to join the People's Army has to undergo a stringent selection test.

They are required to meet Farage in a pub or hostelry of their choice. They are then expected to put their hands in their pockets and get a round in. Anyone who fails this basic courtesy is summarily dismissed and told to go back to the Tory Party. If they manage to pass the first test, and most don't, they are then taken to a small table in the corner of the pub where Farage, having taken a drink from his pint, fixes them with a steely gaze and says

"Do you have the interests of the people at heart?"

Anyone who hesitates or hums and haws is then immediately dismissed and told to return to the Tory Party where they belong.

Very few make it through and have the honour of representing the People's Army.

UKIP announcement live right now.

New donor donated £100,000 to UKIP. Hague called the donor a "nobody".
So the donor has now announced that he is donating £1,000,000 to UKIP.

All of the Tory insults are backfiring. These privileged elite sore Tory losers are going to have to eat humble pie.

Any member of the Westminster elite who wishes to join the People's Army has to undergo a stringent selection test.

claig, you are hilarious.

Are you really Marcus Brigstocke?

No because he is a luvvie and progressive

I think secretly you are too, claig. This claig business is just a persona you adopt for your and our amusement.

I do like to have a bit of a laugh, but I am not a luvvie!

Away from the 'Westminster elite'.....Ukippers who obtain MEP seats pretending they can bring the UK out of the EU and get paid from the taxpayer, what is it, £78,000 a year, office expenses, and £3,500 expenses paid into their bank account every month (whether they claim it or not) - should therefore be called what, 'tartties'? lol

Odds are shortening on a UKIP victory in Labour held Heywood and Middleton, now 9/2 while Labour is 1/8 so still not looking too good for UKIP yet.

But

"More households in the predominantly white, working-class seat have put up posters in the party’s yellow and purple colours than the party ever dreamed possible, and outside the shopping centre in Middleton on Thursday morning it was difficult to find anyone who claimed they were certain to vote Labour on 9 October.

“I’ve voted Labour all my life and never, ever again,” said one angry woman. “We have been utterly deserted up here."
...
During the Labour party conference last week, one of Manchester’s Labour councillors put out an SOS call. Peter Cookson, who represents Gorton South, pleaded with delegates at a fringe meeting to “come and help us” in Heywood and Middleton. “Ukip are a real threat there,” he said.
...
Colin Kirby, 63, a thoughtful retired teacher, admitted he was considering defecting from Labour to Ukip, fed up of what he called Miliband’s “Londoncentric” politics. “There’s no clarity between the two main parties, so when you hear something different, it’s attractive. Essentially I’m a Labour voter, but a disenfranchised one. The dynamic of Labour is so narrow, so Londoncentric. All of the main decisions about important things in the north of England are taken down in London.”

Originally a Scouser, Kirby now lives in Alkrington, one of the wealthiest bits of the generally deprived constituency. “I suppose it’s what you might call a nice middle class area, with a mix of Labour and Tory voters,” he said. “But from the conversations I’m having in shops and pubs, I think Ukip could be in with a chance.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/02/odd-shorten-ukip-victory-labour-heywood-and-middleton

I think there are signs that Labour are in a state of panic and despair up there based on the fact that they have had to draft in Jim Murphy, fresh from haranguing Scottish voters on his Irn Bru crate crusade, to harangue, hector and lecture the good voters of Heywood and Middleton.

The more he speaks, the more voters will rush to UKIP.

But what will UKIP voter get in return, and let me remind you that this is the Clacton thread?

To paraphrase Cameron yesterday; on the 8th October if Clacton voters go to bed with Conservative Carswell and wake up with UKIP Carswell - why do the voters in Clacton think a Clacton UKIP MP (treated like a political leper in Westminster by all) get MORE for the people of Clacton from a Conservative led government now, or a Labour government in 2015?

If Clacton think they'll go through more of a a government spending and influence on LOCAL issues 'purple patch', with a UKIP MP, surely they need to wake up - as logically the opposite is more likely.

'But what will UKIP voter get in return'

They will get their voice heard, they will show the media of the whole world what they really think about how they are governed. The people of Clacton are not like the metropolitan elite, they don't think what's in it for me, they are voting for the sake of the whole country. They know that the hopes and dreams of citizens from the top to the bottom of the country reside with them. They will shine a light, they will do what is right, they will turn out in their thousands from the earliest morning light, and they will leave no doubt about what they think of this out-of-touch privileged elite and the media that fawn over them.

"What will they get in return?"

Change. Change for the better, change for everyone, young and old, rich and poor. Change for the people, a voice for the people. They know it is important, they know there is panic in elite circles, they know why all the media moguls have sent the luvvies there. They are going to cause an earthquake and give the elite an awful scare. They want a society that works for people, one that is just and fair.

'“I’ve voted Labour all my life and never, ever again,” said one angry woman. “We have been utterly deserted up here."

That is what the woman said up North, and that is what people think everywhere. They have ignored and deserted everyone and they have lectured us and pretended that they represented us.

They will find out what people really think come election day.

Claig .... 'But what will Ukip voters get in return' for a Ukip Carswell, based on your Clacton answer and new habit of quoting people off the street like any politician without anything positive to offer himself - I'm getting a suggestion of 'sod all' conclusion.

An MP in government or main party clout, can get things done for their constituencies by pressing the right buttons in government, a lone or few MP's acting and sounding like Farage clones, will IMO achieve little.