Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

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Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

People actually like Sir Peter Tapsell, but he's going.

The Tory candidate is Victoria Atkins. Criminal barrister who prosecutes serious and organised crime, so she has at least got a proper job.

Ys, Sir Peter Tapsell is good and Victoria Atkins looks like a good candidate. But at the end of the day, it is really party policy that counts and we will have to wait and see which policies the people prefer.

Hannan is getting on my nerves. He's on twitter constantly teasing about defections while promising to stay Tory. If he wants to keep doing the dance of the seven veils I hope he gas some paisley pyjamas on underneath

Personally the stories are welcome to him

Tories just lost the last election by promising huge cuts. People naturally prefer to believe that the Labour money tree will fruit forever

I think the Tories actually want to lose this election. It reminds me if the last time Major was elected. No one would admit to being a Tory, Labour had it in the bag. And we got John Major back again. Even he didn't really want it.

Eureka

If every EU citizen living in the UK will have a vote in the in Out referendum then all the EU had to do us flood us with pro EU fellow citizens for a while. Long enough to give them voting fights.

Head slap moment

The Mail has an article by Hannan today and he is doing his usual thing of saying that UKIP should join with the Tories in order to get this referendum. But Reckless and Carswell and lots of other people do not think that Cameron is serious about it, so the best way is to gain political power for UKIP. Hannan presumably thinks that one day the Tories may leave Europe, but I think there is no chance of that happening.

I don't think Hannan will ever join UKIP because he is Tory through and through, but if he does join, I think it will be bad news because I don't think his heart is with UKIP.

I didn't realise how close Hannan is to Carswell and Reckless.

"I should declare an interest: Mark and I were best man at each other’s weddings; Douglas and I are godfathers to each other’s daughters."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2772996/Only-Tory-Ukip-deal-stop-Labour-winning-power-says-DANIEL-HANNAN.html

Yes, good point.

Very good article by a UKIP blogger on Hannan. I don't think Hannan is the real deal.

"Dan Hannan's dishonest spinning for the Tories

It never ceases to amaze me how many UKIP supporters idolise Tory MEP, Dan Hannan. Yes, he writes good articles on the evils of the EU but they're nothing more than wordy recruitment posters. He makes the occasional speech having a pop at the EU but they're a pale imitation of the speeches made by Nigel Farage, Paul Nuttall, Roger Hemler and other UKIP MEPs.

What attracts eurosceptics to Dan Hannan isn't so much what he says or does, it's the false hope he represents that the eurosceptic core of the Conservative Party has any meaningful influence over the leadership. But then that's his job. That's why an outspoken critic of the EU and the party leadership's stance on the EU is even allowed on the shortlist to become an MEP, let alone given a platform. If he was an MP in a safe seat rather than an MEP he'd have been deselected and probably had the whip taken off him by now. He is a recruitment tool for the Tories, someone to hoover up eurosceptic votes that the openly pro-EU Conservative Party wouldn't normally get."

www.bloggers4ukip.org.uk/2014/08/dan-hannans-dishonest-spinning-for.html

good blog

I don't want him thank you

Boris us doing a barnstormer at the conference right now

That's the role that Jeffry Archer used go fulfil at conference

bring in the clowns

Peter Kellner, one of the YouGov founders, thinks UKIP could win up to 10 seats

"Earlier this year, I thought Ukip would probably win no seats next year. I can now envisage it winning up to 10: Carswell and Reckless for a start, with Nigel Farage probably winning in Thanet South, Diane James possibly winning in Eastleigh, where she came close in last year’s byelection, and half a dozen other seats along England’s east coast between the Humber and the Channel."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/29/2015-general-election-multi-party-coalition-ukip-snp

That is without Thurrock and Castlepoint in Essex. There could easily be more than 10.

The pollsters are not especially accurate. What we need to do is keep an eye on what odds the bookies will give on UKIP seats/percentage of vote. The bookies were consistently more accurate re the Scottish referendum than any polling organisation, apparently.

Yes, good point

I think they will get 3 at the most.

happy to be proved wring

daily politics dud an IN. OUT poll at the conference. It was 50 / 50 surprisingly.

Shaps talk about destroying someone who s, until a few days ago, part of his party shows the Tories in a very bad light. I am old enough to remember the sale sort of rhetoric from Peter Lilley with his Little List and the pre enlightened Portillo. It was a complete turn off for the public who are not. By nature vindictive and tend to support under dogs. So the Tories would be advised to call off the attack dogs.

This party conference seems to be being held in an atmosphere of fear and suspicion. My mother used to tell me a about the Doodlebug weapons that bombed the UK in WW2. You heard them coming and then there would be complete silence just before they dropped their bomb.

In think the Tories have heard a Doodlebug and expect the UKIP bomb to be dropped as soon as Dave gets on stage. I personally don't think Nigel as any ammunition left. But who knows

I think Farage may have another one for tomorrow.

I think the Tories are trying to put the frighteners on anyone thinking of leaving. Boris's jokes are possibly double-edged. Their whole conference has been spoiled by these defections. They haven't been able to get their message across because the media is talking about UKIP.

Boris's former Deputy Mayor for London has defected to UKIP today.

Shaps talk about destroying someone who s, until a few days ago, part of his party shows the Tories in a very bad light. I am old enough to remember the sale sort of rhetoric from Peter Lilley with his Little List and the pre enlightened Portillo. It was a complete turn off for the public who are not. By nature vindictive and tend to support under dogs. So the Tories would be advised to call off the attack dogs.

I completely agree. I certainly watch that kind of thing and think, 'Oh, so that's what you are all like underneath, nasty'. Ditto Labour and the internecine warfare with the Militant Tendency in the 1980s. In the end, the bitter warfare made both factions unelectable.

I think the Tories are turning back into the Nasty Party.

Teresa May seems to be in permanent Miss Whiplash mode these days

Boris was a bumbling idiot today at conference and if anyone was remotely impressed by his speech they really need yo grow up and start taking politics seriously. If you want a 2nd rate comedian there are plenty on the Beeb every night

The posters are starting to go up in supporters windows in Rochester for Reckless. He seems like a very decent man.

latest UKIP recruit us Is the son of Bill Cash MP.

I find that a bit sad

the last time that the Tories were kicked out of office John Major was the losing PM and the whole party were weary after 17 years in Govt

In the administration the Tories have not really got into gear as they have been blocked constantly by the dead weight of the Liberals in the coalition.

Q. Will they give up power this easily or will they do something spectacular to keep themselves in power? If so what and how close to the election?

Oh dear me, the U-Kippers who with one EU policy they can never deliver, have done nothing else but attack and spread mis information on other people/politicians in the name of Farage for years now, but clearly don’t like it back - please ‘grow some’, ‘suck it up’, or whatever else, instead of whinging.

Are you getting upset not as Farage’s isn’t achieving the desired result from Conservative’s defecting at any Conservative Conference level, other than getting them up for the fight?? Lol

How about today the defection of an ex(?) Major Boris assistant, announced just before his speech. How pathetic was that 'we have someone that touched Boris' for a headline. Have you been to a football game when the Away Team bring on a substitute and the Home crowd simultaneously cry out ‘Whoooo?’

Well Boris was on fire today, and announced a UK Fisheries Policy; “chuck Salmond overboard, and eat ‘Kippers for breakfast”. Lol

I guess the attacks on Daniel Hannan is because you don’t like the truth; as he says, as the Eurosceptics like him, Carswell and Reckless got what they asked for from Cameron, the promise of an EU Referendum when the Conservatives get a majority, and publicly said so, there is no logic to them leaving the Conservatives and help ensure pro EU Labour gets in next.

How lame is saying ‘I don’t trust’ the PM who gave Scotland a Referendum, knows his party wants a Referendum, knows the country wants a referendum, can not legislate for a Referendum now due to Ukip votes in 2010 – and won’t be able to have a Referendum if Conservatives don’t have a majority in 2015 DUE to Ukip votes.

Hannan IMO has always wrote excellent in depth, informative, anti Europe articles, unlike Farage who just rants anti EU micro shit appearing in the news that day for headlines, so unlike Dan Hodges (who I also like reading very much and did you know is Labour’s Glenda Jackson’s son?) I like Hannan’s work as it has ‘balance’, not ‘a man down the pub sez’ shouting.

The reason I want balanced writing, is like many people I think we should be IN the common market, but OUT of a inefficient, fat, EU Superstate – but want to see both sides of the ‘IN’ and ‘OUT’ argument before a Referendum and you can’t trust liars getting EU/Westminster votes on false pretences e.g. if someone says we will be better off by £10 billion a year or ‘the UK will lose 3 million jobs’, so unlike the misinformation b4 the Scottish Referendum, I want to see the FACTS.

The Conservative Conference may have a ‘who’s next’ to leave backdrop, but try LISTENING to the successes they are all proud off in a tough 4-years in Coalition thanks to Ukip, THAT IS WHAT POLITICS IS ABOUT, not political wanabees with no responsibilities, offering the people what they know they can’t deliver i.e. EU leaving and tax cuts, and playing silly boys with the party that can.

They are up for the fight, if the people want Labour back in, there is nothing Conservatives can do, other than concentrate on their own game which is working for the country, rather than a self interest for a few seats in Westminster.

I no longer believe the Tories are predominantly anti EU

I don't want a referendum any more as it would be a totally hollow exercise skewed by Dave's ability to offer industry voices for stating in gongs and other favours

I actually really don't care any more

as I said before Dave / Ed who cares. Both are pro Europe

at least Mr Bean will prove amusing and will probably lead Labour into total oblivion by May 2020

Funny article with some truths, worth reading

"On Wednesday, Dave has to address the conference with fingers crossed behind his back that Nigel Farage will not announce the defection of George Osborne before the end of his speech. For angry Britain it is a delicious spectacle. Lance-Corporal Jones was right: they don’t like it up ’em."

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/30/How-Could-Mark-Reckless-Be-So-Wicked-as-to-Deceive-Dave

I watched that video from yesterday. How typical that the Labour supporter was only voting for them because his dad told him to .

I just heard a Tory MP on C4 news telling !Michael Crick that the Tories, Lab and Libs were out of touch with ordinary people

Pretty depressing

That was Col Bob Stewart. He was just telling it as it is. It is the fault of the political class. They have ignored the people and pursued their metropolitan agenda. The media backed them up and they thought they could spin the people forever, but the people have now had enough.