Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

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Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

'Why can't the other parties?'

They are not on our side. We have sat through years and watched their lies and spin and we now all know it.

It s a game to them, as Carswell rightly said - an Oxbridge, PPE, Bullingdon game where they think they can fool the public, but now the public have finally had enough, that is why they are voting UKIP.

"Politics to them is about politicians like them. It is a game, a game of spin, position."

The public are clever. They can spot spin and they put up with it in order to throw the New Labour spinners out, but now the public have watched the modernisers and realise that they are just spinners too - not real Tories and that they have no principles.

Now the public has had enough and won't vote for them anymore.

Channel 4 News and the metropolitan elite have already hotfooted it down to Clacton and the reporter said

"it could be the scene of Cameron's worst nightmare"

and

"nightmare on the North Sea"

It will be. There is nothing the spinners can do to con the people of Essex.

Claig is right. The problem with today's politicians is they lack principles and lack conviction. They basically do what they are told and believe in what they are told to by the party leaders that way a bag carrying job is promised followed by junior ministerial post then senior ministerial post then Cabinet post, knighthood and don't worry if you screw up in those roles because we can send you to Europe as an EU commissioner.

Those who started the Labour Party had the conviction that the working man deserved a better life that was their conviction. The Tories and Liberals have no convictions. They just scull around hoping to come up with dome ideas that will appeal to the voters and will therefore keep them in power. Dopey ideas SUV
Ch as paying grandparents for child are! stupid un thought out policies designed to stop the other party gaining power and never actually tackling the ills that face this country.

You can call UKIP all the names you want but it's prime conviction is that the UK would be better off out if the EU. It's members believe that instead of being members of a party that tells them what to believe from week to week. And that's why UKIP is a grass roots party. I have been to Ukip meetings their membership is incredibly diverse and cuts across all sections of society. It's no more a refuge for disenchanted Tories than it is for disenchanted Labour voters Labour should be very worried about UKIP.

Cameron r,unless thus country like he has a divine right to do so. He has no strategy and he has no convictions. Tell us what these EU reforms ghost you intend to negotiate actually are. But he can't because he doesn't understand how deep the EU interference runs and he us very naive if he thinks he will ever archive change. Norman Tebbit said as much on the radio I.e. The Tories tried to get Europe changes before and failed then and will fail again.

WetAugust is right, UKIP is a grass roots party, a people's party, a party where the people believe they will be listened to and not spun by public school wonks who look down on ordinary people.

The mood of the people is so against the spinners that people are crying out for someone or something who can bring change and improve ordinary people's lives - a party that doesn't lecture us from their metropolitan pulpits, but a that listens to us, hears us and serves us. T

hat is why UKIP is growing so fast and why the public is cheering them on and why Clacton voters will vote for UKIP instead of for the metropolitan luvvies that are the Tories.

The article below shows how desperate people are for change and how much hope they still have that change is possible. They are not lying down, they are not giving up, they are voting UKIP.

"A battle cry has gone out for more troops, and the UKIP faithful have responded. Newark, packed with Tory spinners and regularly visited by David Cameron and assorted Tory grandees, has now attracted hundreds of purple campaigners for this week’s by-election. From all corners of the UK – from Scotland to Cornwall, the Eastern counties to Wales, the most fervent UKIP believers gathered yesterday for a public meeting near Newark, and a chance to see their chief protagonist, Nigel Farage.

‘After the European elections, we can smell blood,’ said a cheerful UKIP activist, Scott Cross, from Hampshire. Former Tory activist Steve Stanbury, who defected to UKIP a few years ago, felt ‘exhilarated and invigorated for the first time in ages.’ And this exuberance was given full vent when their saviour Farage appeared. Entering the packed 500-plus crowd in Newark’s genteel Kelham Hall, the ovation was standing and the roar was deafening. The grand Victorian hall is usually used for weddings, but marital celebrations had nothing on the enthusiastic applause from UKIP’s blue rinse brigade yesterday, still buzzing from their triumph in the EU elections a week earlier."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/06/on-the-campaign-trail-with-ukip-in-newark/

The Newark people didn't feel it enough, but Essex is different, Essex is unique, Essex will change history and lead the people to change that improves all our lives.

UKIP haven't got the well-oiled moneyed spin machines of Labour and the Tories. They haven't got as many rich backers or luvvies on their side and the media are against them.

But UKIP has got what none of the others have - principle, belief, values, honesty and integrity. UKIP haven't got money, but they've got passion and heart and that will carry the people to victory over the spinners who swap policies with the wind and the focus group.

Integrity? Oh Claig, you are a hoot.

So how many of us know folk who will vote in this by-election?
DH got MIL (lives there) to take one of those "Which party should you vote for?" website surveys and she came out an even split between UKIP and BNP.

DH reckons she'll vote Tory. The C in conservative matters.

There is nobody the Tories can send to Essex to save them.

Alastair Darling and Gordon Brown? - they would be laughed off and booed out.

Boris - total joke and would fall flat on his face.

There is only one person the Tories could send to Essex and that is the only man of principle they have - David Davis. But one man is not enough for the people of Essex, we have had enough and we will get a chance to have our say.

"Calamity in Clacton"
"Battered on the Beach"
"Spun out to dry at the seaside"
"Poll Victory to the People"
"Emergency in Essex"
"Unseated by UKIP"

'DH reckons she'll vote Tory'

Has he asked her? When Farage rolls into town, she'll be there with me and the entire town of Clacton 9and all its environs) roaring him on as he takes the Tories down.

Lljkk
The Conservatives are so called because they promised to "conserve the good"
I don't see handing over increasing power to the EU as conserving the good. But if you need an internet quiz to fell you how to vote you're probably. Not terribly interested in politics.

Your MIL must have some worryingly a extreme views to have featured BNP in results of that quiz. Perhaps better that she stays with the Conservatives

Claig

steady on dear.

I'm understating the reality and the Tories know it. that is why they have convened a special Whips' metting. They're all at sea, Clacton can't be won by any Tory.

It seems to me that UKIPs popularity on this thread is more about hating the alternatives rather than being sold on what UKIP stands for. Nevertheless, the great thing is that people can vote for whoever they like....no matter what the motives.

UKIP have shown themselves to be useless and opportunistic when given the opportunity to govern/exert influence. They have claimed maximum expenses and done fuck all. Not turned up, not voted, not represented british interests. Exactky like the BNP councillors - a protest party full of people who once elected and have come down from the high of winning can't actually be bothered to do anything. Where is the integrity in that? What principle governs this behaviour?

I'm sorry but nobody I know would even consider voting for UKIP. We see through the rhetoric. They stand for nothing. They stand against everything.

Mark my words. UKIP may take a few seats in Essex, but that does not constitute a revolution. All UKIP will achieve is ensuring a labour government - which as a lifelong labour voter makes me pretty damn happy . Maybe I should be more pro UKIP?!

rf241, you ae right that the majority of the new voters who have flocked to UKIP over the past 2 years have done so because they have had enough of the other parties and hope that UKIP will bring change. I am one of those, but WetAugust has been a longterm UKIP supporter from near the beginning because of her principled anti EU beliefs.

'the great thing is that people can vote for whoever they like....no matter what the motives'

You are right. There is a reason why people vote as they do, it is about the people's voice wanting to be heard. Democracy and elections are fantastic because they are not decided on by the metropolitan elite, they are decided on by the people.

You can call UKIP all the names you want but it's prime conviction is that the UK would be better off out if the EU.

Except the UK wouldn't be better off out of the EU.

'UKIP may take a few seats in Essex, but that does not constitute a revolution. All UKIP will achieve is ensuring a labour government - which as a lifelong labour voter makes me pretty damn happy . Maybe I should be more pro UKIP?!'

This is the beginning of a huge change in British politics. We are witnessing the beginning of the end of the party of the toffs, the Etonians and the Oxbridge set. It won't disappear overnight, but it will happen because it no longer represents the people. The only reason we voted Tory was to stop Labour, but now there is a people's party that we can believe in instead.

It doesn't matter if Labour win, they are no different to the Tories. In fact in some ways they are better, but of course in many ways they are far, far worse. But their victory will only be temporary, because politics is changing and the people are looking for new solutions and new answers.

Is there a manifesto for an independent Essex? I'd vote for that. Twice. We could dig a trench around the edge and then just push it off into the channel. Job done :)

inabeautifulplace, are you in the place known as Clacton which will bring a "nightmare on the North Sea" for the Tories?

'We could dig a trench around the edge and then just push it off into the channel. Job done'

Have you forgotten what Samuel Johnson said?

"If you are tired of Essex, you are tired of life"

Peter Oborne, one of our top political commentators, writing in the Telegraph

"Douglas Carswell's defection to Ukip is a seismic shock to the British political system"
...
"He believes in all the things to which ordinary politicians pay lip service, but in reality frighten them to death. Above all, Mr Carswell is an advocate of popular democracy: that is, that politics is an activity which concerns ordinary voters and not the views of the Westminster elite."

...

This is why I believe that Mr Carswell’s decision to quit the Tory party and join Nigel Farage’s Ukip is a seismic political event.

...

If Mr Carswell carries Clacton, a political convulsion will have taken place.

There are many disgruntled Right-wing Conservative politicians who must have pondered the course which Mr Carswell has taken: Liam Fox, David Davis, John Redwood, and others. But Mr Carswell has shown superlative daring. David Cameron will not thank him for it, but Mr Carswell has done a service to everybody in Britain who believes in parliamentary democracy."

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100284247/douglas-carswells-defection-is-a-seismic-shock-to-the-british-political-system/

"If Mr Carswell carries Clacton, a political convulsion will have taken place."

Oborne sounds as if he is not sure. It will be a walkover, of that I have absolutely no doubt at all. This is not Islington, this is Essex.

A disaster for Cameron, but inevitable, given his weakness on matters European.

Not funny ina.

Agree this will weaken Cameron because there is no way on earth that Cameron can win in Clacton and all the King's spinners and men won't be able to put the show back on the road again months before an election.

And if anyone else follows Carswell afterwards (which they may do when they see the majority he gets), the news will only be full of UKIP victories and Tory defeats.

Claig, do you actually live in the by-election (Clacton) constituency?

Samuel Johnson actually said

"After you've been to Essex, you are tired of life"

No, I live in Essex down the road apiece (and fully intend to turn up to hear Farage speak when he comes here). But I have lived in Essex all my life and I know the people here much better than the metropolitan elite knows them. It will be a walkover, Essex people will not vote for a Tory over UKIP in a byelection. Impossible!