Mikaeel Kular's mum pleads guilty

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[Warning added by MNHQ: please note that the content of the link given here is very distressing]

Rosdeep Adekoya has pleaded guilty to Culpable Homicide of her son Mikaeel in January of this year.

Gosh aren't you clever,in absence if facts you've reached a conclusion

No not anymore, only a judge can impose that (a whole life tarrif) in England now. The home secretary has no jurisdiction.

Cheers,for that

Me scottish? I'm just rebutting the 'she's scum, the tragedy was therefore unavoidable, support was pointless, let's have a lynching' argument with one hypothetical alternative (working from public domain info). And defending the value of therapeutic support generally. Apologies if I was unclear, I do feel a bit overheated.

While I think the surviving children might want with their mother, I am not sure this would be in their best interests. A woman capable of such terrible, sustained, conscious abuse is unlikely to be a force for good towards her other children. The guilt she feels probably makes her more dangerous, not less.

Maybe no intervention short of removing the child permenantly would have worked. Maybe nobody could reasonably have spotted she needed help. The review will hopefully discover the answers.

We do know she was googling for help. We also know that had she asked for help, she could have got some, of some sort. It is very sad.

Arsenic,i thought yiu were being snippy about case review?sorry if i got it wrong

Oh no not at all.

Case review can potentially improve practice,drive policy.and remind us its all about the child

It didn't work for Baby P. Sharon Shoesmith did quite well financially out of it

May I ask what the therapeutic interventions for attachment difficulties, Arsenic?

Hmm case review... In 2012, the 5 year anniversary if baby p's death, there had been 100 deaths since his

God know what that figure is now

Turbo - god another 100 deaths. We seem to learn nothing......

Ms shoesmith was illegally sacked.employees have rights,inc ms shoesmith
Emplyers Cant just ignore process and legalities of employment law
She was right to sue for wrongful dismissal

Oh, "lessons will be learned" yada yada...

Too fucking late.

She cold-bloodedly told the police he'd let himself out. Poor boy. She'd murdered him! She let hundreds of people search for a boy she'd killed when she should have been tucking him up in bed.

To those calling for sympathy for her, read all the details. The way she hurt him in the bathroom makes me so upset and angry there is no reason on this earth to justify it. None.

London, so what's your point? Not to bother with a case review?

We all know what she did and it's horrific but if lessons are to be learned then that has to be established. At the end of the day the authorities aren't psychic.

Ive not read any post saying they sympathise

As a layman my views are that we hesitate too often, when the red flags are flapping. SS struggle with the caseloads, however I don't necessarily think it's about money. Many children who are eventually killed by their carers have been seen many many times. Wasn't Baby P seen 60 times. If there was more funding would the results have been different if he was seen 100 times?

My point is that we've heard so many lessons and more lessons and more lessons...

Daniel Pelka
Peter Connolly
Victoria Climbié
And so on...

Sometimes, sometimes, the most disgusting things happen. She was responsible. She was. No one else hurt that child.

I do agree with the posters who said that a man going this would be crucified. There would be no talk of supporting a father who did what she did.

I've read posts (maybe it was a different thread) saying they felt sorry for her. I can't get my head round that.

*doing

Consideration of background factors isnt sympathy.its attempt to see pattern and/or triggers

With the best will in the world, this type of crime will happen despite how hard we try and prevent it. But we have to have an enquiry as to why.

I think we have become too tolerant, Baby P's mother was praised by ss a few days before his death. She was living in a hovel, she had strange men around and of course the 'boyfriend'.

The red flags were waving and a trained sw - one of many who visited of different levels of experience were too nervous of doing anything. Tbh - they might of thought the way she was living was ok with the. They were 100% wrong

It's not going to change anything though, is it ?

Not for that poor little child. Or his siblings.

It feels to me as though case reviews are there to blame or to clear the people "who should" protect vulnerable children. What do they really achieve? Sorry if I sound cynical but who is to say that another mum in a similar situation would absolutely not act in the way that that woman did?

I'm kinda confused as regards who we are talking about? BabyP or Mikeaal?

Nope it won't change for this child but I can't understand your defeatism. It can't change things for him so why bother looking as to why it happened. Isn't that failing things for him?