Mikaeel Kular's mum pleads guilty

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[Warning added by MNHQ: please note that the content of the link given here is very distressing]

Rosdeep Adekoya has pleaded guilty to Culpable Homicide of her son Mikaeel in January of this year.

Well it's patently not.

I didn't really understand your parallels with people moaning about "elf and safety" and the generalisation that all people who want social workers to have greater powers are the ones who always moan about rules.

Doesn't really add up, tbh.

It adds up completely,people want strident state,quick interventions.just not for themselves
The people who support hemming et al an fb,mn,twitter all complain SW snatch children
But want strong interventions,remove children.not for themselves mind.just others

No SM that is not what I am saying. I am saying that in THIS case Sharon Shoesmith should have resigned. She chose not to and was sacked. Illegally as it turns out. However her taking further action is only self serving.

People In senior management positions are rewarded with large salaries. My belief is that with that comes responsibility to 'carry the can' when there are severe and tragic fuck ups ' on their watch'. Many other people in her position have recognised this and resigned.

Well, I don't know much about Hemming.

What happens needs to be decided by those above wing swayed by tabloid hysteria though.

Sometimes people really are their own worst enemies. But in this case, I don't think greater powers would make much difference. She was obviously deemed fit enough to have the twins back ...

*being

Bloody phone! Time to switch it off.

She has employee right,she was right to pursue illegal dismissal
Had she resigned voluntarily,that would have generated a v different outcome

I am not denying she has employee rights. Whether everyone would have chosen to exercise them in the circumstances is debatable.

Really?if your LA dismissed you,would you think,oh better not pursue itll cost them
Are you suggesting no public sector employed sue as it costs the employer(public sector)
Frankly had employer taken better legal advice they wouldn't have contested

No as I said earlier and am now repeating it I meant in THIS case.

"employee rights. Whether everyone would have chosen to exercise them in the circumstances is debatable"
Why is it debatable?why should ms shoesmith renounce her employee rights in this case?
Her employer already had lost initial case,illegal sacking.they continued to pursue

Are you deliberately missing the point? A particularly horrible child abuse and death happens in a failing department presided over by SS.

London Probation Service around 2006. Chief probation officer resigns due to the mishandling of a case that resulted in the torture and death of .2 students. He wasn't sacked and if he had have been then he may well have been able to take his employer to a tribunal and win damages. However he publicly stated that he was resigning because his department had failed. It had happened on ' his watch'. He actually used those words.

It was the right thing to do.

I miss no point.esp not your loose grasp of employment rights
Im familiar with ms shoesmith case.she chose not to resign.and disputed her illegal sacking
you think resigning was more honourableoption.ms shoesmith didn't.that set in place a chain of events

I will not quibble with Shoesmith's legal battles.

But I absolutely will judge her for not resigning. I will judge her for the excuses she's made since. That is unforgivable.

There have been far, far, too many senior managers presiding over incompetence and shockingly poor practice and getting to sweep off to another cushy job unscathed.

I do think there should be some way of barring incompetent/failing managers from senior roles in sectors such as health and social care.

Read the misconduct hearings from the NMC or any similar bodies. If you lack insight into your failings, you will be struck off. The same should apply to those in leadership roles too.

Shoesmith was treated appallingly IMO. Everyone I knew thought she would/should bring a case.
SS did not cause that child's death. Even actual misconduct on the part of any one individual within the NHS or SS system did not cause his death.
SS are workers like any other and like any other job sometimes life, stress workload, ability and experience all get in the way or align to effect the result.
All employees are afforded rights and protection under the law. Shoesmith is no different

I can't even read this thread in full because it's so upsetting. That poor poor little boy.

I hope that vile bitch suffers all manner of hell in prison and then dies a very long, slow and painful death.

I don't think I can think of any punishment evil enough for the likes of her or Baby P's mother or anyone that wilfully harms a baby or child in their care.

I pray that little boy has the peace in death that he never had in life and I hope his poor siblings and the rest of the family receive the care and support they all need going forward.

When people are under extreme pressure they tend to change things to alleviate it. I think she felt unable to change her life, to stop working. If we want to learn lessons it should be that single women with young children deserve support and should be treated as very valuable members of society. She could have created five healthy happy humans, instead she beat one to death and probably ruined the lives of the others.

I would like to know what the children's father was doing to help.

According to reports his father is now attempting to get custody of his daughter. He apparently saw the twins before being banned from seeing them. I'm presuming this meant their mother was withholding contact.

I'll say it again: the reactions on this thread would be shockingly different if it were a man who beat his child to death.

I've slept on it and, nah, not a scrap of sympathy for her. Plenty of single parents manage to control themselves - they'd never contemplate what she did! Ditto those with anxiety and depression.

Utter evil.

(The reactions calling for understanding and support for the poor stressed mother, I mean)...

Why are single mothers very valuable members of society. Why are they special. Are single Mum's more special them someone who makes good choices in life?

She made very poor choices, it seems she once again put her needs above her children by leaving them unattended and probably worse, she had five children and then beat one to death and tried to cover it up.

What support would you suggest we give this very valuable member of society.

I agree with London, if it had been a man there would have been no sympathy at all.

Don't single out lone parents! We don't all need extra support etc, don't make this a single parent issue!

She was coping sufficiently to go out regularly

Handcream, your last post sums up to an outsider what has happened.

However, we don't know what goes on in an individual's mind or what their exact circumstances are.

Was she pressurised by family to keep the children? The grandmother reported her to social services for going out and leaving the children alone but was she happy about her grandchildren being in foster care? Would she be worried about not seeing her grandchildren if they were adopted?

It's reported that Rosdeep attempted suicide after she broke up with the twins father. Did she harbour hatred for that man and then look at Mikaeel and project those feelings onto him?

She could have got help at any stage but why she chose not to, we may never know. Pride. Shame at letting her mother and sister down.

I can't imagine telling my family or friends that my children have been taken into care so maybe that's why she kept them but neglected them.

We don't know if the beatings and subsequent death of Mikaeel was the first time she had become violent or whether there were regular beatings to just him or all of them.

Don't forget, they were all returned to her, so there must have been proof to social services that the children were not at risk of any physical injury.

The court case may reveal more but it's possible we may never know.

There can be no sympathy for anyone who beats her own child to death, I am attempting to understand why she did it. Different from sympathising or making excuses.

Why did she refuse contact with the father, just out of spite or was he a risk to them? Had he sought contact with them and if so why was it denied?

Call me suspicious but there is neatrly always a man behind these abuse cases. And that's why I believe that isolated vulnerable single parents without support, with five children need more support. That's all, not making excuses, what she did was abhorrent.

Ss got in wrong when returning her children. One is dead and the others will be living all their lives knowing that their mother killed one of them in the most horrible way over a prolonged period,

I don't think she had any shame at all, she did what she wanted, she had FIVE children, she left them to attend to her own needs. She had crap relationships resulting in her being a lone parent. Surely somewhere she now needs to take personal responsibility for her actions. More support - please give it a rest!