Mikaeel Kular's mum pleads guilty

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[Warning added by MNHQ: please note that the content of the link given here is very distressing]

Rosdeep Adekoya has pleaded guilty to Culpable Homicide of her son Mikaeel in January of this year.

After any sad fatality,people call fir more powers to SW
The same people who object to school telling them about healthy lunch content
Object to nurse weigh children and elf and safety.dont want a nanny state
Want strident interventions and state for everyone except themselves.but cant see the contradiction

God, that's scarily true SM!

I agree sm! People who defy schools who have a strict uniform, who think the policies are there for everyone else.

Jamie Oliver tried to introduce healthy eating to schools but had to stand back and watch the parents passing burgers, chips etc through the school fences.

Those sorts of people. There are millions of them!

I've read that the twins were in long term foster care for a year but were returned to her.

Maybe she wanted her daughter back but wouldn't have been allowed or separate the twins so had to have Mikaeel back.

I don't think anyone could have foreseen murder and there is mention of her previously being physically abusive, the reported neglect was for leaving the children home alone to go out.

I'm not defeatist. I'm just tired of hearing about things changing when they don't. I'm wary and weary of these poor souls dying at the hands of their primary caregivers. Especially when SS have been involved. Especially then.

Of course they'll look into what happened. As well they should.

But SS are not miracle workers, they miss things, they are too likely, as handcream said, to overlook things. They are only human.

I'm sorry if I'm not making sense, I'm just so sad. All my empathy is with that poor lad who deserved hugs and gentleness and was meted the polar opposite by a woman who chose to victimise him and who was capable of loving his siblings...

Yeah, the school dinner thing. Well, some people are simply stupid.

Like I said, you will never prevent murders like this. With all the ss intervention etc if a parent is going to do it, they will.

No one can read the mind of another human.

Yup, I agree.

Depressing.

I didn't realise she had other children in care. Why were they taken and he was returned. This women sounds like an evil monster. Why do we think she loved her other children. She must have done something terrible for the others to be taken away as well.

I don't know the nationality of this women and don't care tbh but I feel sw are getting very nervous of removing children unless there is very clear evidence and if that person is not from the UK they don't want to be accused of any sort of racism.

I have read serious case reviews for a couple of murders that I was involved in at work (I didn't play a big part) Very interesting and really made me look at them from a different angle.

Hand cream, that's a ridiculous thing to say.

Nick - sounds interesting. I am sorry. I cannot help it - I feel she should rot in hell.

Why is it nonsense?

Humans are capable of terrible acts of depravity and violence.often unpredictable
Unfortunately this wont be the only fatality.but nonetheless it needs a case review
A liberal society is one that deals with dysfunction and criminality to try understand

Handcream,mother was scottish by birth.kids all scottish by birth
Can you substantiate your claims about fear of racism means intervention is reduced

Hand cream. Because no agency is knowingly going to allow the suffering of children based on the race of their parents. If that was the case then there would have been zero ss intervention.

handcream all the children were taken away in 2012 ,the 3 older ones went to their dad ,the twins were in a long term foster placement ,from what I read it was because she was repeatedly reported ( apparently by her mother) for leaving them home alone at night while she went out clubbing or whatever . She got the twins back about 5 months prior to the murder and already had the older ones back.

It's important not to conflate all of these cases. They are not all identikit and many different factors are involved.

We don't know until the Serious Case Review exactly what input the mother had and if anything appeared during that input that needed flagging or being acted upon.

This article (trigger warning - graphic) is a look at a case and how it was impossible for the SW to predict what was going to happen: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/aug/16/adeaththatcouldnotbeforetold

There are lots of not very good parents out there, it isn't necessarily obvious which of them will murder their children.

From the facts presented, I feel somewhat uneasy at the culpable homicide verdict. The recent case of Keanu Shuttleworth, where he was also assaulted and left to die, resulted in a murder conviction. In an even more recent case, that of Callum Wilson, the mother not only received a life sentence, but had her minimum tariff increased as it was deemed unduly lenient.

While we are on the subject of Sharon Shoesmith, while I disagree with the manner of her dismissal, I do think she should have resigned anyway. If that department had been an award-winning beacon of excellence, would she have taken credit for it? Of course she would. Therefore she should accept responsibility when the department was failing so horribly.

Issue is,people after a fatality want bold,sweeping SW powers to intervene,remove child
The same people populate mn,fb,twitter and discuss alarmist SW snatch children theories
They like john hemming,they have anecdotes of harsh state intervention

They moan about elf and safety.ridiculous they have to complete risk assessment for school trip
They complain about school having healthy lunchbox policy.how dare they
They are infuriated if midwife asks if they smoke,or drink in pg.its intrusive.they're not walking incubator
They resent health visitor asking about child dirt,home safety,co-sleeping.nosy cow

Do not get me started on Sharon bloody Shoesmith! I was a social worker so know what a difficult job it is so coming from a sympathetic pov. However that woman was in charge when extremely poor practice led to a baby's horrible death. It happened on HER watch. She should have been dignified enough to resign at the time. People in her position are paid high salaries to carry the can. She refused to accept this or take overall responsibility for the failure of her directorate.

She now rubs salt in the wounds by taking her authority to tribunal and getting thousands. Money which I am sure Haringey could spend better elsewhere.

Arrogant arrogant woman.

Ms shoesmith was illegally sacked.her employee rights were breached.
As employees we are entitled to be dealt with appropriately and legally
ms shoesmith irrespective of salary or grade,was legally entitled to her employee rights

SM, so are you saying they should or should not have a case review?

She should have resigned is what I am saying.

She has some brass neck in taking her dismissal to a tribunal and winning substantial damages. Yes she has rights but she should have resigned anyway before her dismissal.

Applying your logic lagoon,no local authority employee should have recourse,as it'll cause LA money
No employee to ever get in a grievance with LA,as it spends LA money

Read my posts London,its clear what im saying