The poor people in the 'plane, would they have suffered?

[hellymelly]

The news is so shocking, have avoided the tv news for days but read the papers today. Combined with the terrible images of injured children in Gaza it is all so upsetting. I can't help but think about the passengers in the downed airoplane, would they have been alive when they hit the ground? Or would they have passed out from lack of oxygen before then? I just hope that they knew nothing and were killed instantly but I realise that is probably unlikely. .

[GretchenWiener]

You see I found the McCann threads distasteful and went on to say. I don't know if i would now. People can think what they think, really. As long as MNHQ are ok with it, now I think I would just hide em

[Mintyy]

Well, there's grief and personal involvement, and then there is quite separately the profound sadness and empathy that normal humans feel towards people who have died in a shocking act of terrorism, and their families.

I didn't see that anyone was confusing the two when the thread first started, or throughout it, and its rather insulting to suggest that many people on this thread are getting it wrong somehow.

So only the feisty ones who will argue the point will stay. Thread effectively finished, original point lost.

[hellymelly]

I've been out all afternoon, somewhat ironically at a funeral. Anyway it was a bit of a shock to find almost ten more pages on the thread. I am not sure how to respond tbh. I have apologised for the thoughtless elements of my post, as I said earlier, I really am sorry if i offended or upset anyone, as obviously it wasn't my intention. I posted out of emotion, when sad and tired, without really thinking it through (having just finished reading an article on Gaza that was just ghastly). I have read and taken on board all the comments. I should say that normally I probably would have chatted to a friend about this, asked someone who I thought might have an idea, or similar. This week out of my three closest friends two are dealing with the death of a close family member, and another is having chemo. My DH is dealing with a major crisis in his family, my dad who I went to with all philosophical issues is no longer here. Hence me posting here to vent. I am very grateful to those of you who did give me the benefit of the doubt that my intentions were not to add to the hurt of those directly involved, and to those who understood the feelings behind my original post. And to the posters who are disgusted with me for posting and who think me ghoulish or mawkish or self-centred, then I am sorry to have given you reason to think that . I can't say that the more critical comments haven't got to me because they have, but I accept that is my own fault for posting on a public forum.

[GretchenWiener]

no one can talk about ANYONE who is in the news as they have died on mn?

[Mintyy]

I certainly can't be bothered to argue myself.

Sorry you are upset, Helly.

[SwedishEdith]

Op, you've got no need to apologise.

[CorporateRockWhore]

helly I don't honestly think you started the thread with intentions of being mawkish, ghoulish or whatever. Whatever I've said on this thread was not about your posts, just others that appeared on the thread. In particular the talk about Expat, I'm not going to stand by and not defend that. But that's not your responsibility.

[hellymelly]

Beertricks is that a really polite way of telling me I sound like a loon?

[Bambambini]

I don't want to know grisly details, I haven't gone looking for pictures. What I want to know is that the passengers lost consciousness straight away and knew nothing about it. Flying with my kids next week and these things are at the backs of our minds - it's a reassurance all round for those of us that fly and that those poor folk hopefully didn't suffer. Who gets to judge who is a grief tourist here?

As for not being our business about other strangers sad deaths. If I drive by what looks like a serious accident - I want to know the outcome. But what I'm hoping is that the people are ok so I don't have the horrible thoughts in my head. I stayed at a hotel hit by the Tsunami just a year or two later. I didn't want to be insensitive and ask, but was haunted by the thought that folk perished, especially thinking about the kids club where little kids might have been without their parents. It was a relief to learn that no lives had been lost as I was thinking of the worst and you know what - it upset me not knowing.

Again, if that makes me a grief tourist then I don't care what your opinion of me is.

[BeyondBurma]

Helly you sound like a lovely, compassionate person to me.

[LostInWales]

Beyond she is, she really is.

I may also sound like a loon here but I knew hellymelly as a real bona fide person, before I knew her on here , we aren't bosom buddies but I see her quite often out and about and I just want to testify to all you internet sprites that she is a proper lovely caring woman, a real good sort and daftly, caringly, soft. NEVER a ghoulish person or rubber necker, so SO far from that it makes me laugh anyone would contemplate it. Sorry, I'll PM you now helly, just was a bit horrified that anyone would think you would be capable of anything unkind, ever.

[hellymelly]

Thank you. I think I will stay in the (metaphorical and literal) doghouse for a while, occasionally venturing into style and beauty.

[limitedperiodonly]

Whatever the merits of this particular OP, MN users have terms for some of the attempts used to shut down conversation or debate.

Sometimes they are called Passive Aggression and sometimes Emotional Blackmail.

Sometimes MNetters aren't backwards in coming forward. Sometimes they are.

[Iflyaway]

We know 2 people on it. .
Harrowing and horrendous...

Our only comfort is that they never were aware...

[CorporateRockWhore]

I'm very sorry for your loss, Iflyaway

[expatinscotland]

Again, I expressed, have expressed, and will continue to express opinions regarding a variety of things. This is what I have done, citing no one I particular. This opinion has been taken personally and all manner of psychoanalysis done on it, agony, anger blah blah blah, MN royalty (another opinion I have is that namechanging should be entirely restricted except when permitted by HQ), shutting down discussion, etc.

My posts are opinions and worded as such. Free for people to agree or disagree with, in the forum or elsewhere.

I posted similar opinions over the years long before I became a bereaved parent, the Madeleine McCann threads and others regarding family annihilators over the years. Not to mention anti-smoking threads.

[expatinscotland]

Opinions are subjective, as is people's interpretation of them. It's the nature of the beast.

[FidelineAndBombazine]

Very sorry to hear that Ifly

[FidelineAndBombazine]

(another opinion I have is that namechanging should be entirely restricted except when permitted by HQ

Why? A periodic namechange is the safest way to preserve anonymity long term. (I don't know if you saw what happened to VicarinaTutu recently)