The poor people in the 'plane, would they have suffered?

[hellymelly]

The news is so shocking, have avoided the tv news for days but read the papers today. Combined with the terrible images of injured children in Gaza it is all so upsetting. I can't help but think about the passengers in the downed airoplane, would they have been alive when they hit the ground? Or would they have passed out from lack of oxygen before then? I just hope that they knew nothing and were killed instantly but I realise that is probably unlikely. .

Rowan I was thinking about the conversation on another thread where it veered from Calais to Irish references about a lawless, dirty and area that was bad in comparison because to travel out of the English Pale meant leaving behind all the rules and institutions of England, considered synonymous with civilization and all that is right and good. I might have got that wrong too.

I didn't mean that to sound as snippy as it came across- should have put an emoticon next to it but thought 'christ, another argument in a moment'. My misfire.

Apologies.

That was one post out of nearly 300 - it doesn't represent the view of the thread in general imho.

Beer

Where the hell did the OP and nearly every other poster on here ask about that? Don't be so daft. Just own the fact that not everybody has your clearly well developed network of friends/family whatever to talk about their concerns with. Or do you not give a shit about that then dare to accuse others of insensitivity?

You are acting obtuse (a polite way of putting it really).

@PhantomTollbooth

Rowan I was thinking about the conversation on another thread where it veered from Calais to Irish references about a lawless, dirty and area that was bad in comparison because to travel out of the English Pale meant leaving behind all the rules and institutions of England, considered synonymous with civilization and all that is right and good. I might have got that wrong too.

I didn't mean that to sound as snippy as it came across- should have put an emoticon next to it but thought 'christ, another argument in a moment'. My misfire.

Apologies.

No worries. You may well be right that some of the optics on this one are not great...

I have just read that Dutch minister speech and its great. its a call to action.

remember what happened to them. be sad and be outraged.

Beer

Well don't comment on my posts if you don't want a reply.

As for who I am, good luck with that .

Rowanmumsnet, Expat mentioned her daughter on this thread. She brought it up, as though it were the closing argument, so it is not a fair discussion from that point on then is it? You're being deliberately obtuse if you refuse to see the difficult position it puts posters in.

I can't believe the thread still rumbles on with the posters telling off other posters not realising that they're part of what they say they find so distasteful. This thread would have been a lot less distasteful if people had just been allowed to discuss what was on their mind.

Refuses to believe that a Nathalie Marchant fan could possibly be one of those ten thousand maniacs

Noooooooo.... It cannot be.

i completely agree if you talk about the death of a loved on on MN then its up for grabs. i have had posters be very blunt with me when i talked about death of a loved one.

i have been told i was only raising it for political reasons...to prove a point...

i don't remember MN rushing to chide the posters doing it then. tis double standards.

Of course I had a look.

But Beer for you to calll me stalky after a no doubt failed amateur previous ID sleuthing is a bit rich.....

Anyway I am trying to lighten the mood up a little so we can all draw this animated afternoon to a close.

Great musical tastes, even if we have to agree to disa on this one

I'm sure we will .

I still think the deletion of Phantom's post was unfair. More than once I've seen expat berate posters on MH17 threads: saying, essentially, they have no right to feel sad at the tragic death of strangers. That to be affected by this tragedy is distasteful and basically grief tourism.

This is unfair.

I know expat is bereaved, in agony and angry. I was, and still am, hugely sorry for her loss. But to channel this anger at posters on threads like this, repeatedly, is unfair.

Of course you're entitled to find such discussions distasteful BeerTricks. There is nothing wrong with that. Nor is there anything wrong with expressing your disagreement. The only difference between the way you expressed yourself, and the way expat expressed herself, if that expat used her bereavement as the parting shot of her argument. That is what I felt was unfair.

Why is it mawkish to hope that those poor people did not suffer, and to seek reassurance on that point - which is what the OP was asking after all...?