Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 8

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here is Number 7.

I was wondering about that, Member. In South Africa, could there be a civil case?

I also thought he would get eventualis.

Yes, I wouldn't have thought Nel would be allowed another crack, but whether the Steenkamps could bring a civil case is what I mean. I have no clue about this, as I'm pretty sure I've only heard of civil cases for murder on American TV and not in actual reality.

He's going to end up with a suspended sentence isn't he?

How could he have known that firing 4 shots into a confined space could've killed someone?

I'm puzzled too but from what I heard I THINK it is because it is determined by OP's INTENTION at this stage, and the judge clearly believed OP's statements to police etc on that fateful morning that he didn't intend to kill anyone - that he lacked intend.

Culpable homicide however is a test of recklessness and would a reasonable person think their actions would kill - OP has to FAIL on those grounds surely.

So, basically, anyone can shoot anyone else if they can't see them & it's ok as long as they insist right from the start that they didn't know it was them?

I'm sorry but shooting at a person even once is incredibly likely to kill them. He knew this. How is this not dolus eventualis?

The judge has said that op s version has been consistent and his initial reactions were witnessed so while it seems improbable it cannot be proved it did not happen as he said.
So AGnu it seems so
Surely they have to convict on the lesser charges though, he did kill her even if they have determined he didn't mean to. I mean 4. Bullets into a tiny space........

Oh wait, it's because if it was an intruder, it would be legal to shoot and kill them. Wow.

I'm astonished at the judge's reasoning tbh

So does it look like culpable homicide?

I'd say yes, AmI, but I thought it looked like Dolus Eventualis until that was ruled out.

According to David Dadic "Interestingly it may be the State actually applies for Appeal. Sect 310 says state can appeal if it feels court was wrong in law."

BBC news is saying it looks like culpable homicide, but that that carries no mandatory sentence as other factors, remorse, subsequent actions ie getting medical help etc. can be taken into account.
However the firearms offences do though there is some discretion.

marking place

imagine if the only reason he gets a custodial sentence if for the illegal bullets charge - wrong on every level.

becool agree, it would be like saying 'you are going to jail for killing your girlfriend with the wrong kind of ammunition'

South African Lawyer again on bbc saying he would be surprised if op got more than 10 years now.

That makes me so absolutely sick.

found you. I have posted here under various other names (Stackalee etc) but back to using my original name.

I am shocked by the verdict but can see where the judge is coming from to be fair.

What time are they due back from lunch?

Now there's been a unexplained delay

Is it Nel demanding to appeal immediately?