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Oscar Pistorius trial part 3

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JillJ72 · 12/04/2014 19:08

Hiya,

Thread 1 here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2022610-Oscar-Pistorius-trial

Thread 2 here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2049921-Oscar-Pistorius-trial-part-2

To continue our respectful, open, interesting discussion.

OP posts:
voiceofgodot · 15/04/2014 08:45

In his version she closed the door after hearing him come down the corridor? No idea re loo flush...

Roussette · 15/04/2014 08:47

I agree with you, Bonnie. There are no winners in this. But he shot again and again and again at another human being when he actually didn't have to do that. He walked towards the danger and chose to shoot, when he could have walked away. There is no excuse for deliberately gunning someone down, Reeva or intruder.

SA prisons sound absolutely horrendous - are they all like that?

It's a sad sad case, a family shattered forever and who will undoubtedly relive this trial for the rest of their lives, and a young man who was an inspiration to others who - in a short space of time - shattered everything in his life and others' belief in him.

voiceofgodot · 15/04/2014 08:50

Here we go, jeans/duvet...

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 08:52

I dont get Nels point about the jeans, she went to put them on/take them off quickly and thats how they turned inside out?

voiceofgodot · 15/04/2014 08:53

I don't get it either, I think he's coming back to it..

FreeLikeABird · 15/04/2014 08:53

He said he heard the door slam when coming down the passage, maybe she was finished on toilet went to come out heard him shout, shut herself in the toilet, question is was there enough time between him hearing the window open to him coming down the passage and when he shouted, for Reeva to go for a wee, come out, I don't think there would have been.

Otherwise none of this makes sense.

Chipstick10 · 15/04/2014 08:53

I don't get jeans point.

Nerf · 15/04/2014 08:56

Well i think OP Made The Point we were all thinking - inside out jeans if you took then off in a hurry, but why get undressed to leave?

FreeLikeABird · 15/04/2014 08:59

Do you think she went to the toilet, came out opened the window, he heard the window, got his gun, started out at the passage shouted to intruders and Reeva, Reeva then went back into toilet, slammed door shut, which OP heard.

Only problem is can you see the bathroom window from the top of passage where OP started shouting? If so in this scenario he would have seen Reeva walk from window to toilet.

voiceofgodot · 15/04/2014 09:00

Undressed in a hurry - either during sex maybe or perhaps after an argument where she had started to get dressed in a threat to leave but then took them off again..? Do we think Nel stopped because it's a dead end..?

Nerf · 15/04/2014 09:09

I can't imagine anything over than calling an ambulance - pulled her into him?

Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 09:10

Would anyone else find it hard to have a huge amount of sympathy (to the intruder) if there had actually been one behind that door? I always find it hard to understand how a burgler in the UK can sue for say an owners dog attacking them, or for injuries from barbed wire on the owners property (just examples, not sure of the outcomes). Would be interested in other people's views on this.

Re window/door discussion - so he heard both, window first? Then toilet door?

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 09:12

Difficult listening today.

voiceofgodot · 15/04/2014 09:14

Bonnie well I certainly don't think somebody would have deserved to be shot and killed in that situation..!

FreeLikeABird · 15/04/2014 09:15

Yes Bonnie he heard the window sliding open when he was going to cover the LED light on the stereo, he then went to get his gun, when half way down the passage he heard the toilet door slam shut.

I am finding it difficult listening today, it's awful Hmm

Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 09:16

voice I'm not saying 'deserved' at all, by any means, but in SA it must be rare for an intruder not to be armed and very dangerous? I don't know, I'm just curious as to what people think.

Roussette · 15/04/2014 09:18

Yes, it's awful listening. And at this point of finding her, whatever he did, the reality hit for him whatever he knew prior to that.

SauceForTheGander · 15/04/2014 09:22

I think OP behaved appallingly recklessly regardless of who was behind the door - and I have no sympathy for him.

What if the intruder had been a 12 year old boy mucking about? He didn't know (allegedly) fired no warning shot and asked no questions ...

Claiming he can't remember is bullshit. It's what my 9 year old says to get out of trouble. Amnesia is not a defence.

Nerf · 15/04/2014 09:24

Where is Reeva's mother? Her sister is alone today.

Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 09:25

Yes good point sauce.

I can't listen to it today, reading only.

On a side note, did anyone know if the autograph was genuine?

Chipstick10 · 15/04/2014 09:25

He can never remember when questions may implicate him, or become difficult yet he remembers he didn't want to fire into the shower incase the bullet hit him.

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 09:27

Interesting, Sauce, I'm finding his testimony more convincing today - he's doing what I said yesterday; struggling to remember, and piecing it together logically. He's very clear on when he doesn't remember, and when he's assuming that's what happened.

'I must have kicked the magazine rack then.' which he then agrees he's working it out logically but didn't remember.

Contrast with his words about before, during, and just after the shooting, where he's clear, and he says he remembers precisely.

I find today's more convincing. That's how memory works (in my opinion/experience). The phone was on its charger - he doesn't remember doing that, but he can't see any other way that it happened.

Prior to that, he was very certain - I parted the curtains, definitely, definitely didn't throw them open, just parted them slightly, I called for help three times, just three times... and so forth.

Roussette · 15/04/2014 09:28

I wonder what the notes that Nel is receiving are about. If I were OP I would be bricking it wondering.

Nerf · 15/04/2014 09:30

I'm not sure about that chipstick - I know I have a tendency to try to be helpful so would probably say that , meaning with hindsight I can see ricochet would be a problem.

SauceForTheGander · 15/04/2014 09:31

The team behind Nel looked very scary yesterday. Are they the same ones today?

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