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Missing Malaysian Airlines MH-370 - Thread 6

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member · 27/03/2014 09:31

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allisgood1 · 29/04/2014 22:14

If insarmat data is so conclusive then why did they turn up nothing in the area insarmat said the plane was? And why then did insarmat have to extend the area? Even they admit it's not accurate. And if it's so accurate, why are we still looking?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 29/04/2014 23:23

It's not conclusive. It's indicative. As noted, it gives areas of varying probabilities to search. What it doesn't point to is the probablity that the plane stopped somewhere and set off again.

Evidence can be used to rule scenarios out without being conclusive proof of one particular scenario.

I detect, using my eyes, that a toy has been put on a high shelf: i don't know conclusively which of the DCs climbed up and put it there, but I can rule out the baby having done it and focus on the older two.

TheHoneyBadger · 30/04/2014 08:19

inmarsat have refused to release the data and their work was not peer reviewed.

TheHoneyBadger · 30/04/2014 08:22

incidentally the internet is no more 'bad' a place to find information than books if used correctly. many of us are educated well enough to know to check our sources, cross reference and ensure enough reliable sources give the same information as to make it reliable.

this 'oh you found out on the internet' snideness is silly - there is a great deal of difference between reading the british medical journal online and reading a site that promotes treating cancer with crystals. the fact that the latter exists doesn't undermine the former.

singersgirl · 30/04/2014 13:04

I wasn't denigrating the internet compared to books per se, more the skill of the reviewer. The term 'peer reviewed' is salutary; I am not a peer of the people working at Inmarsat as I have a completely different expertise. Unless you are their peer (ie an expert with professional experience in the areas of satellite technology, military radar etc) I don't see how you could be in a position to review technical information adequately.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 30/04/2014 14:02

Again: the Doppler analysis was done in conjunction with folks at the university of Cranfield - just because it was done under NDA doesn't mean it's crap.

And again: the "distance from the satellite" data (ie the arcs) wasn't novel analysis; only the directional data and any speed information.

AKeyFox · 01/05/2014 12:24

New search in Bay of Bengal after remote sensing company claim new evidence.

Claims rejected by JACC, but no reasons given other than "wrong area".

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 01/05/2014 12:53

Umm, what other reason could they give, AKey?

AKeyFox · 01/05/2014 13:00

?

AKeyFox · 01/05/2014 13:02

Bored again Doc ?

member · 01/05/2014 13:18

MH370 PRESS STATEMENT BY HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN
MINISTER OF DEFENCE AND ACTING MINISTER OF TRANSPORT
THURSDAY, 1 MAY 2014

  1. Release of information regarding MH370

Last week, the Prime Minister appointed an internal team of experts to review all the information the Government of Malaysia possesses regarding MH370, with a view to releasing as much as possible to the general public.

The Prime Minister set, as a guiding principle, the rule that as long as the release of a particular piece of information does not hamper the investigation or the search operation, in the interests of openness and transparency, the information should be made public.

The internal team has concluded its review. As a result, the following information regarding MH370 is being released:

The audio recordings of conversations between the cockpit of MH370 and Kuala Lumpur air traffic control (see notes to editors).
The preliminary report into MH370, dated 9 April.
An additional document, which gives further information regarding the actions taken between the hours of 01:38 and 06:14 on Saturday 8 March.
A map showing MH370’s flight path (also see notes to editors).
The cargo manifest for MH370.
The seating plan for MH370.

  1. The military’s tracking of MH370

As stated previously, Malaysian military radar did track an aircraft making a turn-back, in a westerly direction, across peninsular Malaysia on the morning of 8 March. The aircraft was categorised as friendly by the radar operator and therefore no further action was taken at the time.

The radar data was reviewed in a playback at approximately 08:30 on 8 March. This information was sent to the Air Force operations room at approximately 09:00. Following further discussion up the chain of command, the military informed the Acting Transport and Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein at approximately 10:30 of the possible turn-back of the aircraft. The Minister then informed the Prime Minister, who immediately ordered that search and rescue operations be initiated in the Straits of Malacca, along with the South China Sea operations which started earlier in the day.

During this time, KD Mahamiru, the Mine Counter Measure Vessel and KD Laksamana Muhamad Amin, the Corvette Vessel of the Royal Malaysian Navy were already in the Straits of Malacca on patrol duties. They were immediately retasked to conduct the search and rescue operation. A military aircraft was then sent to join the two ships in the Straits of Malacca at 10:54 to search for MH370.

NOTES TO EDITORS

a. The audio recordings consist of five files which should be listened to in sequence.

b. The attached map shows MH370’s flight path, based on the best available knowledge of the investigation team. There are a number of possible flight paths to the southern Indian Ocean, and three boxes indicating where MH370 likely ended. These flight paths differ based on different projections of the aircraft’s speed, shown on the map in knots.

c. The attached preliminary report was drafted with the involvement of the NTSB, AAIB, ATSB, AAID and CAAC, as well as Malaysian officials.

-ENDS-

The maps, passenger manifest, cargo manifest have been tweeted by James Chau of CCTV but difficult to make out detail.

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member · 01/05/2014 13:20

Photos of typed report

here

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member · 01/05/2014 13:34

Maps here

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member · 01/05/2014 13:38

Mangosteens were on board!

Missing Malaysian Airlines MH-370 - Thread 6
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member · 01/05/2014 13:47

Statement from Malaysia Airlines advising the famillies to go home:

Thursday, May 01, 07:00 PM MYT +0800 Media Statement 29 by Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, Group Chief Executive Officer, Malaysia Airlines

Kuala Lumpur – 55 days since Malaysia Airlines’ flight MH370’s disappearance on 8 March 2014, a multi-nation search is still ongoing for the missing aircraft, its passengers and crew.

This enormous search mission was carried out with the support from more than 20 states, firstly in the South China Sea, in the Malacca Straits, and on land along the Northern Corridor, and since mid-March when specialised assets were deployed in the air, on the sea and underwater in the southern Indian Ocean, where top experts concluded the aircraft’s last known position was.

Despite such an intensified search operations, probably the largest one in human history, we have to face the hard reality that there is still no trace of the aircraft, and the fate of the missing passengers and crew remains unknown till this day.

Malaysia Airlines is acutely conscious of, and deeply sympathetic to the continuing unimaginable anguish, distress and hardship suffered by those with loved ones on board the flight.

We share the same very feelings and have been doing whatever we can to ease the pain of the families and to provide comfort for them.

The Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) in Australia has announced early this week that the search operation in the southern Indian Ocean will be moving to a new phase in the coming weeks, and it is certainly not ending.

In this new phase, the Malaysian Government, working together with Australia and Chinese governments, other international partners and specialised companies, plans to intensify the undersea search by deploying more technologically advanced assets in the search zone.

The Malaysian Government recently announced its decision to establish an international investigation team led by Malaysia. The members will include accredited representatives from the US, UK, Australia, China, France and Singapore. Also included are representatives from relevant international organisations and the civil aviation industry.

This investigation is an independent process in accordance with ICAO standards and recommended practices. Malaysia Airlines commits itself to fully support this independent investigation and provide full information and assistance as required.

From past experience, we understand the continuing search and investigation would be a prolonged process. While Malaysia Airlines is committed to continuing its support to the families during the whole process, we are adjusting the mode of services and support. Instead of staying in hotels, the families of MH370 are advised to receive information updates on the progress of the search and investigation and other support by Malaysia Airlines within the comfort of their own homes, with the support and care of their families and friends.

In line with this adjustment, Malaysia Airlines will be closing all of its Family Assistance Centres around the world by 7 May 2014.

Malaysia Airlines will keep in close touch with the families on news updates through telephone calls, messages, the Internet, and face-to-face meetings. With the support of the Malaysian Government, the airline’s Family Support Centres will be established in Kuala Lumpur and in Beijing. The detailed plan of follow-up support and services will be informed in person to the families.

Malaysia Airlines will make advanced compensation payments soonest possible to the nominated next-of-kin who are entitled to claim compensation, in order to meet their immediate economic needs.

Such advanced payments will not affect the rights of the next-of-kin to claim compensation according to the law at a later stage, and will be calculated as part of the final compensation.

Immediately after the next-of-kin have returned home, our representatives will be in touch with them at the earliest opportunity to initiate the advanced compensation payment process.

At this very difficult time, we wish to once again thank everyone for their understanding and support, especially from the families of the passengers and crew on board.

Malaysia Airlines’ thoughts and prayers remain with the families of all those onboard MH370.

-Ends-

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 01/05/2014 14:01

Not at all, but if you are carrying on an intensive search in one area where all your data is pointing and someone else is following up something you don't think is credible in another area, what can you say except "wrong area"?

member · 01/05/2014 14:01

Actions taken between 01:38 & 06:14 am

www.facebook.com/HishammuddinH2O/photos/a.10152221443729355.1073741998.72613804354/10152221443854355/?type=3&theater

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member · 01/05/2014 14:06

Cockpit recordings

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TheElementsSong · 01/05/2014 14:18

Thanks for the links member. It is very haunting to listen to the conversation Sad

member · 01/05/2014 14:29

Maybe it's just not conveyed via the written word but there doesn't seem to be that much of a sense of urgency between last contact with Malaysian ATC & launch of SAR. I'd hazard a guess that that was because of not knowing exactly who should be co-ordinating checks because of the changing of one airspace to another. I am not clear from skimming this; how did Malaysia Airlines come to the conclusion that MH370 was in Cambodian airspace??

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AnyaKnowIt · 01/05/2014 14:51

Thank you for posting that member Flowers

Seaofyou · 01/05/2014 21:10

Thanks member. I listened to the cockpit radio contact and from 6.26 mins in the voice seemed a different person? What do you and others think?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 01/05/2014 22:30

Thank you member.

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