Missing Malaysian Airlines MH-370 - Thread 6

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[AchyFox]

I'm surprised the Oz navy aren't getting a few of there helicopters down there.

It must be anguish having all these reports of debris, and not a single piece actually picked up or even positively identified.

[nauticant]

I'm surprised the Oz navy aren't getting a few of there helicopters down there.

Those helicopters don't have enough range to even get to the relevant area letting alone get back.

www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1200&tid=500&ct=1

[nauticant]

Actually I see that that's probably the wrong Seahawk variant. But none of the Seahawks have enough range to be able to get there and back.

[GarlicMarchHare]

Tin hat fodder:-

Last night I ferreted around for info about the US imaging satellites. Although it was unclear - to me, I was following dozens of technical links - whether the latest version is yet operative, the existing generation does, in fact, carry optical equipment that is as good as or better than Hubble. They 'photograph' every inch of the Earth and they do follow a pole-to-pole orbit. MacInerney was telling the truth about that. I can't say which orbits they follow, or how many there are, because my maths isn't that good.

As to whether America has shared images from the relevant time with the investigation team or, if not, why not: evidently I have no clue at all. I understand why they wouldn't have made a 'thing' about it, as they would then have to stonewall a bunch of potentially compromising demands for more details.

Fodder from forums:-

Flying low past the Maldives would be a good way to evade radar in the area. There are mountainous 'shadows' well-placed to provide cover. This would precisely explain three of the visual sightings. Whatever was going on, the guy was a genius pilot.

New radar systems have something called SARS (? from memory) that offers three-dimensional cover, which traditional radar doesn't, so can pinpoint altitude and velocity. It would still be susceptible to physical obstacles, though, depending on placement. Obviously nobody's saying whether they have this, or where.

I'm going to do my best to stay right away from this today! If I have to replace it with catching up on Crimea, so be it

[GarlicMarchHare]

Oh, random detail about imaging satellites, which I found kind of cute - The first generation took actual photographs, spitting out canisters of film on little parachutes, which then had to be collected on the Earth's surface! Wow! What dedication :)

[AchyFox]

Those helicopters don't have enough range

I was envisaging something like this:

[nauticant]

Ha, fair enough.

[MooseBeTimeForSpring]

Most merchant vessels have a speed through water, in good conditions, of about 15 knots. By my calculations it would take a week to get from Perth to the site. If they're sailing into bad weather against the wind and current they could be slowed considerably.

[MooseBeTimeForSpring]

HMAS Success

[RustyParker]

How awful for the families to be so close to the prospect of potentially finding debris and having some tangible evidence of what happened only to be constantly thwarted by such terrible weather conditions. It's hard to imagine the kind of limbo they must be in and the guilt they must feel almost willing the debris to be from MH370.

[TheHoneyBadger]

thanks for starting new thread member.

garlic i've also been reading up on US satellite capacities in the area - seems that every fifteen minutes assertion is true.

also reading up on the actual technology being produced by freescale and the companies links including very technical info much of which is obviously way over my head but they are certainly not the kind of oh it's just mobile phone stuff that was being assumed at one stage. massive military implications and applications for their technology.

very glad to see people haven't been silenced or 'shamed' by the whole if you question the bbc and like to do your own research and look at global reporting rather than just your national broadcasting companies take on things you must be a raging conspiracy theorist nutter.

i like a wide range of sources personally and a feel for how different cultures and socio-political systems perceive things.

[TheHoneyBadger]

my grammar has gone to pot sorry. lots of companies where it should say company's amongst other things. dealing with hellish work stuff so a bit head fuddled currently.

[theswan]

Me Too AchyFox

[backinthebox]

Did I mean to be so rude? Well, yes, to be blunt. Reproducing such rubbish isn't helping anyone, is it? Pilots are a particularly close-knit group. By doing our job day to day we are often in situations that would seriously concern most people (only a couple of weeks ago I had an electrical failure over Siberia. The passengers never knew, neither did Air Traffic Control. We dealt with it.) Sometimes we act on the knowledge we have, with the best intentions, and it's not enough. And every single time, regardless of whether the pilots are to blame or not, the finger is pointed at them at some point.

At this moment in time there is no conclusive information as to what has happened here. With regard to the speculation, especially the more outlandish theories, I think it would be sensible to apply the old adage "is it true, is it kind, is it necessary?' Some avenues of speculation are not helpful to anyone, particularly the families of the people who have been lost. Wherever they are and whatever has happened, I think the only thing that pilots will agree on is that they are definitely lost.

[mileysorearse]

I think anyone hoping for quick answers will be disappointed, sadly. Just getting some of the potential wreckage then identifying it beyond doubt could take weeks in these conditions.

[AngelaDaviesHair]

Australia has no aircraft carrier, only frigates.

[AngelaDaviesHair]

Sorry, that was in response to AchyFox's picture.

[NumanoidNancy]

What Honeybadger said.

I think we are all perfectly aware these days that governments lie and cover stuff up as a matter of routine, as do big companies, banks, police forces and the military, even just going on UK news items in the last six months. Their mates in the media are all equally complicit and happy to keep schtum when there is something in it for them. I've never been a natural conspiracy theorist but its not surprising that people are increasingly sceptical and curious about official versions of anything like this as am I. Its not disrespectful to discuss the issues involved or for even the wilder speculation to be voiced. If anything
I think it would be more awfully isolating for the families of the dead if they were the only ones who had their doubts and everyone else was patting them on the head and telling them to stop questioning the official line.

[TheHoneyBadger]

exactly nancy - i think it would be 'crazy' and 'irrational' NOT to question and critically analyse official accounts.

it's also important to squarely the face the morality of superpowers and the lengths they will go to. look up how many iraqi civilians have been killed and then tell me that national powers would never do anything bad or hurt people. you know? they WERE real people - women and children just trying to go about their lives.

it's not different if they have a different colour skin to you or a different religion or live in a different part of the world. people who are willing to murder hundreds of thousands of civilians are.. people who are willing to murder hundreds of thousands of civilians.

do i question the motives, integrity and morality of such people? yes of course i bloody do and so should everyone if they haven't become so desensitised to brutal mass murder in the name of politics and money.

[TheHoneyBadger]

look at drones ffs and the things they have been used for. you really think good, decent, humane people create and deploy such things?

or what - you think that people who can do such things are somehow bound by an inner boundary that only lets them do it to people 'over there' but they'd never do it to others? it's irrational to place such trust in powers that have so little respect for human life or justice.

wake up ffs!

i'm not suggesting ANY particular theory but i am suggesting you keep your brain and rational thinking switched on and don't blindly hand over trust to people who are capable of killing thousands of people to make a point.

[TheHoneyBadger]

like seriously would YOU give the order that killed a hundred thousand women and children stuck in a city on the other side of the world? could you do it?

if not then why on earth would trust anyone who could and has done that?

[allisgood1]

You think they give those orders for fun!? The military are protecting us and our country. Have some respect.

[PansBigChainring]

No they make decisions with national interests in mind, and will do so ruthlessly IF 'they' deem it fit to. Hiroshima and Nagasaki (as well as blanket bombing, nerve agent, etc) demonstrates that if the motivation is there, then life is massively devalued.
This circumstance is somewhere where it's v healthy to remain massively sceptical of the authorities motives. fwiw.

[KareninsGirl]

"exactly nancy - i think it would be 'crazy' and 'irrational' NOT to question and critically analyse official accounts"

I do agree, honey. There is a lot we are never told.

[singersgirl]

But what makes you think this is in any way comparable to Hiroshima?
Of course intelligent scepticism is good but I don't think reading a variety of websites of dubious provenance is really 'research' nor that anyone without specialist knowledge is genuinely in a position to 'research' with only Google as their supervising professor.