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I want to scream - the sentences should have meant death

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:37

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/4953362.stm

I am speechless. Sorry but imagine your 16 year old daughter/neice/friend

Nah, they shoulda been exececuted.

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Greensleeves · 29/04/2006 22:20
Grin
UCM · 29/04/2006 22:20

I am not angry with anyone who doesn't agree with me. I am frightened that this could happen to my son. Hopefully by good parenting, my son would not get involved with a gang as such (yeah, right, it could happend to anyone)

Yes its a hard question to face. I don't know if I would disown my son if he was in the dock. I doubt I would disown him, after all, I have been his mother and taught him all he knows; good bad etc. But if he killed a young 16 year old girl......

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cod · 29/04/2006 22:20

shall i start

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mumfor1standfinaltime · 29/04/2006 22:21

HappyMumof2 - Maryann's family and friends are not free from suffering!

Greensleeves · 29/04/2006 22:21

But he hasn't, UCM. Breathe.

HappyMumof2 · 29/04/2006 22:21

didn't ask if you'd disown him. I asked if you would be calling for the dealth penalty for your son if he was accused (and had pleaded not guilty)

cod · 29/04/2006 22:22

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HappyMumof2 · 29/04/2006 22:22

fwiw, I would disown my son if he had done this but I would not be calling for the dealth penalty for anyone. Anyone who does something like this deserves to live with it for ever.

Caligula · 29/04/2006 22:24

I agree being in their late 40's is far too young. They might still meet one of these mad women who go around being penpals to convicted murderers and then marry them and have a happy life - with a couple of kids perhaps, and grandchildren - until they die peacefully in their bed at 90.

They shouldn't be allowed to do that. The children and grandchildren their victim might have had, will never be born. That's why the tarif should be more than 23 or 27 years, it should be 50 minimum.

I honestly think that the reason the majority of the public are in favour of the death penalty, is because murderers don't serve life. If the choice is "death or 23 years", most people will say death. If it is "death or life imprisonment, or at least until the old geezer is so old and infirm that he needs help to go to the loo" then most people would choose the latter.

UCM · 29/04/2006 22:25

I am not barking Cod. I do know that as a Magistrate you cannot give anything, just refer to crown if they plead not guilty. I think that your lists of what you can give should be upped. My Father is a magistrate as well but doesn't really talk to me about it.

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cod · 29/04/2006 22:26

i think your opinions are tabloidesque adn there fore ill informed

Greensleeves · 29/04/2006 22:26

I don't blame him :) You are coming across as rather rabid.

Nail 'em up, I say....

UCM · 29/04/2006 22:26

Cod start then, I am interested.

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mumfor1standfinaltime · 29/04/2006 22:26

You are not barking UCM.

HappyMumof2 · 29/04/2006 22:27

UCM - are you going to answer my question about whether you would be calling for the death penalty if it were your son?

JoolsToo · 29/04/2006 22:27

I think you have a point caligula.

Sentencing (apparently)seems so erratic and weak that people feel that justice isn't being done. (I know the family in this case seem happy with the sentence).

My main beef is with paedophiles they rarely get locked up yet they're never going to change.

UCM · 29/04/2006 22:27

what are you feelings on these boys, what should happen (theoretically)

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Greensleeves · 29/04/2006 22:27

"beef" Grin

edam · 29/04/2006 22:28

Ian Brady has been trying to kill himself for some time now. He's on hunger strike but is being force fed (or was, last time I checked). So you really don't have to worry about him being released. He won't be.

Expat, don't know how the US system works, but from what I understand of the UK system (which is very second-hand), you need prisoners to cooperate in order to run the prison - there are more prisoners than guards. If you tell someone there is absolutely no hope, ever, that they will be released, they have no reason to comply. So you are actually giving them a lot of power and potentially making life quite dangerous for everyone who works in the prison.

cod · 29/04/2006 22:28

i think that was right
i htink they are obv horrendous peopel e and i dont belive int he death penalty

SaintGeorge · 29/04/2006 22:30

They have received life sentences. The 23 and 26 years (or whatever it is) are just the minimum number of years they must serve before parole is even considered.

JoolsToo · 29/04/2006 22:31

why are you Grin at 'beef' Greensleeves - i am sat here laughing but I don't know why? Grin

cod · 29/04/2006 22:31

lol

UCM · 29/04/2006 22:31

I am trying to put myself in the position of both a 19 year old boy who killed someone

and the mother of a 16 year old girl who was killed

I believe that bad parenting played a big part in some of those boys lives. But I guarantee that one of them had a good mum.

If it was me and it was my son who tortured the girl, I would accept the judges decision.

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mumfor1standfinaltime · 29/04/2006 22:32

Why are 'we' force feeding him (Ian Brady) is my question! Ever heard of Irony?