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I want to scream - the sentences should have meant death

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:37

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/4953362.stm

I am speechless. Sorry but imagine your 16 year old daughter/neice/friend

Nah, they shoulda been exececuted.

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hulababy · 01/05/2006 20:27

poppadum - you are right. what they get in prison will not be anything as bad as they did to poor Mary Ann. BUT I can guarantee that they will suffer in prison at the hands of other prisoners.

poppadum · 01/05/2006 07:36

I couldn't agree more with you, Expat. 27 years is way too short for hours of torture, rape, mutilation, and worst of all, being told repeatedly that you are going to die "very slowly", as Mary Ann was. I wish I could believe that they will get a hard time in prison. It can't be anything like what Mary Ann suffered.

tuppenceworth · 01/05/2006 00:16

Just out of curiousity, what method of execution would you choose for them? Electrocution, gas chamber, noose and gibbett or good old fashioned hanging, drawing and quartering??

expatinscotland · 30/04/2006 23:30

I think we all like to believe the best in people, but sometimes, it's unfortunately necessary to let go of the idea that certain people are ever going to feel remorse for what they have done.

It is NOT a normal person who inflicts such suffering and pain on another living thing.

Interestingly enough, I just got a copy of Oprah magazine, in which there's an interview w/the woman behind the new US hit series 'Medium'. This woman is well known and works w/police and the FBI in a medium capacity. She does at time try to sense things from the mind of the perpetrator, and she brought up that some criminals do pass and they do NOT feel remorse for what they have done.

I honestly believe some people deserve to be locked up without the possibility for parole. EVER.

It does work. There are no riots about it.

MrsWood · 30/04/2006 23:17

I've been following this story from when it began - absolutely cannot believe humnas can do such things to anyone - that girl that was shot point blank in forehead - jesus... how could she have survived?
Sentence should be death - but seeing that if the shot girl hadn't survived, they'd walked free - I'm happy with life

saadia · 30/04/2006 22:16

I haven't read the whole thread but just got the gist. I do believe in the death penalty for murder and like UCM am appalled and horrified by some of the awful crimes perpetrated. Violent, evil criminals are given a few years behind bars and then freed to kill again. I find this illogical and irresponsible and unfair.

hulababy · 30/04/2006 21:48

These men are, I am very much convinced from my experience, very likely to be having a very hard time inside and this will continue. They will end up spending a lot of time in isolation/segregation for their own protection. Prison will not be an easy option for them. They will need to do an awful lot in order to get out on their first chance too.

I can never believe in capital punishment. It doesn't belong in a civilised nation. Why lower ourselves to that...

donnie · 30/04/2006 18:18

I do agree that sentencing for truly awful crimes such as this one needs to be very stiff in order to appease the family and to protect society, and of course to punish to criminals.But the death penalty? where does it end? shall we stone women to death in the market place for infidelity, too? or cut off the hands of thieves? it's a slippery slope and it degrades an entire society.
As for all this ' what would you say to XXX's mother/father' or 'what if it were your daughter that was killed' : surely the whole point of a functioning judicial system is that it must be impartial and act upon reason and NOT emotion. You can't make decisions of such magnitude based on an emotional response.
I agree that what these particular individuals did was repellant almost beyond belief. But I also believe that no matter how much the red tops bay for blood and try to incite hatred and the desire for revenge, that girl will still be dead so why compound it with more deaths?

surprise · 30/04/2006 16:52

haven't read all the messages, so maybe am repeating here, but you cannot have the death penalty under any circumstances. this is to protect the innocent. many innocent people would die as a result. don't get me wrong, I think those men don't deserve to live, but should be punished by being locked up for life. if they take their own lives because of it so much the better. but i'd hate to live in a country where i could be put to death for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

HappyMumof2 · 30/04/2006 16:46

last sentance, about death penalty was not directly aimed to you expat

expatinscotland · 30/04/2006 15:54

Excuse me, HappyMum, but I never wrote I was pro death penalty. I have never supported capital punishment.

I have written on this thread and others, that I do support life w/possibility of parole sentences for certains offenses, includling ones such as what happened to Mary Anne.

I do not believe these individuals should ever be allowed to live in society or enjoy freedom again given the severity of their crime.

So please don't go putting words into my mouth.

beetle73 · 30/04/2006 08:51

Haven't read the whole thread, but just wanted to agree with:
UCM - emotionally, I would also like to see them get the 'most extreme' punishment
Many others - actually, I don't agree with the death penalty either, even for people as eminently deserving as these boys.
Expat and others - I don't see why they should ever come out.

HappyMumof2 · 30/04/2006 08:23

no expat, I don't think they will be thinking about MA all the time they are inside, but they sure as hell wouldn't be thinking about her if they had been given a lethal injection, would they? Why give them the easy way out.

She is free from pain and suffering. She is dead and as you have already said, will still be dead when and if they are released (which will not be in 8 yrs time - they are not eligable for parole for 27 or 23) so what would be the point in killing them too?

That makes us murderers just as they are. I'm pretty sure it's not the case here but there have been plenty of miscarriages of justice, where innocent people have been killed for crimes they didn't commit. I think talking about the dealth penalty in our so called civilised society is utter crap, I really do.

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UCM · 30/04/2006 00:11

Will shut my gob now. Consider me Zipped -the end

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greensleeves · 30/04/2006 00:11

I wanted to say something similar, UCM, but I would have come across as patronising or critical. I feel the same outrage and nausea - and terror - as you, whenever something as shocking as this is in the news. Nice post marthamoo :)

ScummyMummy · 30/04/2006 00:10

That's a really great post, mm. Glad you found it helpful, ucm.

spacedonkey · 30/04/2006 00:09

good post moo, I'd forgotten about that awful baby rape case Sad

The mass media, especially the newspapers, dwell on such cases to sell papers. It whips up hysteria and fear when in fact such dreadful cases are very, very rare.

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UCM · 30/04/2006 00:09

One of my RL friends said the same.

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marthamoo · 30/04/2006 00:07

I'm glad you took it the way it was intended xxx

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UCM · 30/04/2006 00:07

Marthamoo,

You are right, not patronising at all.

I get far too involved with it all.

Thanks.xxx

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marthamoo · 30/04/2006 00:03

UCM, I remember when that dreadful baby rape case was in the news and you blanket posted on every thread on active conversations to ask people to petition for the strongest sentence. And I think - forgive me if I'm wrong - you have posted on other terrible crimes in the news. And now this.

I don't know how to say this in a way which won't sound patronising so I'm just going to go ahead anyway. You are going to make yourself ill if you carry on like this. There are evil people in the world who do terrible things - you can't stop them. Bringing back the death penalty can't stop them. I do know where you're coming from - if I start thinking about what might be out there for my sons it frightens me half to death. But you can't live your life like that - immersing yourself in these awful cases. I honestly think if you dwell on this case (and others like it) too much it skews your view of the world and makes you paranoid and fearful. I'm not advocating a bury your head in the sand/don't watch the news/don't read a newspaper approach but there has to be some balance. I can't watch programmes like Crimewatch since having children because for days afterwarsd I look at the world differently - like it's full of murderers and rapists and violent criminals.

You'll probably think I'm patronising you - and I'm honestly not - but you have to concentrate on you, and your son - and giving him a happy childhood and enjoying him. You can't keep him safe from every danger, it's impossible - but the world is not as bad a place as these sort of cases could make you believe it to be.

Does that make any sense?

expatinscotland · 30/04/2006 00:03

Well then why write something like Mary Anne is now free from pain and suffering? As if her being murdered is somehow better than having survived such a brutal attack?

Caligula · 30/04/2006 00:01

To be fair I don't think anyone's seriously proposing that these people were doing Mary Ann a favour by horribly torturing her and murdering her Expat.

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UCM · 30/04/2006 00:01

GS - they cannot get people to guard these people as it it is.

Prison guards get paid very little for what they do.
As far as they are concerned the people they are looking after are humans as well.

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UCM · 29/04/2006 23:57

I have heard of of people that would kill for 500.00.

That would be my solution for Mary Ann's killers in prison or not and my guess is that they would do it for free

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