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I want to scream - the sentences should have meant death

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:37

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/4953362.stm

I am speechless. Sorry but imagine your 16 year old daughter/neice/friend

Nah, they shoulda been exececuted.

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:37

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Socci · 29/04/2006 21:40

Truly dreadful SadSad really feel for her family.

But two wrongs don't make a right and executing them wouldn't be right or achieve anything imo.

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:41

I just want one liberal person to tell me why they should survive......... Cos I will personally tell them to shove their heads down the loo. Sorry to be violent but I just want one.....

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SoupDragon · 29/04/2006 21:41

Life should mean life but, personally, I don't believe in the death sentence.

HappyMumof2 · 29/04/2006 21:41

there is no death penalty here though is there! Not sure how their sentances could have been anymore, they have to serve 27 yrs (23 yrs in the case of two) before they will even be eligable for parole.

I agree, there are dirty animals, but they should have a tough time inside.

starlover · 29/04/2006 21:42

also don't agree with the death sentence... that's too light, because once you're dead you're dead... no more suffering.

at least they said they had to serve a minimum of 27 years... not parole after 8 or something stupid like that

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:42

so why should they live at our expense. This was a most dispicable crime and these people are only going to serve loadsa years and come out with 'contacts'

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HappyMumof2 · 29/04/2006 21:43

you don't know how they will come out.

They should live because they are human beings. Taking their lives achieves nothing. Maybe one day they will come out and be worthy human beings, who knows? What would killing them achieve? They wouldn't have to live with what they had done then, would they?

Mercy · 29/04/2006 21:43

I just hope they really do serve the minimum sentences and beyond preferably, - agree with you Socci though

Socci · 29/04/2006 21:44

UCM - because it isn't anyone's right to take a life. They are evil - but we have to rise above evil, not compound it by doing somthing similar.

expatinscotland · 29/04/2006 21:45

I don't agree w/the death penalty. BUT, I am a supporter of life sentences w/o the possibility of parole. EVER.

And I fail to see how being compelled to work for your own living is a breech of anyone's human rights provided they are physically and mentally capable to do so.

The UK needs to put such sentences in place for those found guilty of heinous atrocities such as this girl's murder.

Socci · 29/04/2006 21:46

yep agree expat.

expatinscotland · 29/04/2006 21:46

No, I think not being able to get out, and die knowing that, is suitable punishment. I feel that, for some crimes, this needs to be the case.

Getting out at all is a priviledge.

Someone who has committed such an act is not worthy of any priviledge. Not to mention, I don't see why law abiding people should have to live in society w/them.

JoolsToo · 29/04/2006 21:48

not 27 years (or 23) LIFE!

animals! Angry

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:49

Tough time inside my arse! Mary Anne is over the age of 14 which means she is not a kid anymore. Do you really think those men will be given a hard time. The only one who WILL get a hard time is the one that owned up to it (thus giving evidence over all of the others). He will have to go on the wing with all of the nonces/paeds etc. Not that he shouldn't. I really wish you lot would understand that this sort of crime on the inside of prison is considered unfortunate, not 'noncing'. These guys are in for the long shot, so will immediately be taken under the wing of the head honcho, who will imagine that for the next few years, they will get parcels, fags, money etc from family for a while anyway. The head honch will use this to his benefit. He will not beat them up.

I think they should be hung up on a barbed wire cross.

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Twiglett · 29/04/2006 21:52

Execution leaves no chance of reform, no chance of regret, no chance of experiencing guilt

Execution turns those who execute into blood-baying murderers

Murder demonstrates a lack of respect for human life and debases the society that allows it

Execution is a quick way out .. years of incarceration is far worse punishment

HappyMumof2 · 29/04/2006 21:52

take it from me UCM, they will get a tough time inside, I know that for a fact.

No one said it was considered noncing

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:54

And if you are going to lock someone up for the rest of their lives, you might as well kill them. I would happily pull the plug, to keep scum alive is to breed more scum who learn by going into prison, even more dirty/illegal habits than what they went in there with.

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starlover · 29/04/2006 21:54

what a patronising post UCM

Caligula · 29/04/2006 21:55

For the first time in years, this crime really made me question my opposition to the death penalty. You look at these six men and wonder what possible contribution they could ever make to human society. And wonder why on earth, in a society with limited resources, we should waste any on them.

I'm still (just about) opposed to the death penatly in principle, but if the choice is death or 23 years, then I'd choose death for them. In this case, these men really should stay in prison for the whole of their lives. And they shouldn't be brutalised, they should actually be forced to undergo counselling so that they can become full human beings and understand for the first time the sheer horror of what they did. Because it is too easy to say "give them a hard time". People like this don't care about being given a hard time, it's what they expect, they dole it out and they take it. But being forced to really become human enough to understand and confront the evil they've done - that would be real suffering, and I'd like them to undergo that for as long as they live. In our prison system though, there's no chance of that, they'll just be institutionalised.

Socci · 29/04/2006 21:55

That's an emotional response UCM and I don't doubt I would feel that too if I were her mother. But justice shouldn't involve decisions based on anger.

Do you really want to live in a country where the state hangs people on barbed wire crosses?? I don't want to be living in a country where the government sinks to their level.

ScummyMummy · 29/04/2006 21:56

Poor, poor girl.
They did a terrible, terrible thing. Quite probably an unforgivable thing. But they have wrecked their own lives in the process too. I don't know how I could come to terms with doing something like that and if they have even an inkling of insight they will never forgive themselves. And they will be marked as people who killed an innocent girl even after they have completed their long jail terms. I don't believe in the death penalty for other reasons but I certainly don't think they have got off lightly. Nor would I want them to get off lightly.

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UCM · 29/04/2006 21:56

I would love you all to talk to Mary Annes parents and tell them your reasons for not killing every piece of scum that had anything to do with her death, even the one who confessed, thus getting all of the others in trouble.

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SoupDragon · 29/04/2006 21:57

Because I am not a murderer.

HappyMumof2 · 29/04/2006 21:57

UCM - are you related to her or something????