Bubble asked me to post this.........................We are trying to decide whether Heather Mills......................

[LadySherlockofLGJ]

has totally lost the plot.

She has more mad ideas than any woman I have ever known.

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The was for her being a lot fitter than me, not the Greek yoghurt.

Is a nut loaf really recommended food for toddlers? I know I'm biased by the fact that my son would have gone into anaphylactic shock if I had served him most of the things you describe, but what about avoiding allergies? I thought the advice was to avoid nut-based food until children were 3, or is that just peanuts?

i'd be afraid my toddler would choke on nut loaf. not that she'd eat it. she loves mummy's homebaked goodies full of real butter, cream and eggs and milk. mmmmmmm.

Is it me or are people just deliberately ignoring the point that Spidermama and Mojo are making about Calcium being plentiful in other things that are utterly non-dairy/animal related?

I think, knowing that there are so many more calcium rich foods, i will lose my emphasis on making sure my DC's have cows milk related produce. I think this must be a throwback to the days of rationing that people feel that they MUST have milk - we all had in school, after all, didnt we?

How hard and expensive is it, to plant up a couple of window boxes with some spinach type veggies (that can be easily hidden in soups and sauces....)? Hmmmmm....

Maybe its easier for me though.

I gave DS peanut butter at 1. We've no history of peanut allergies and it is very nutritious.

Actually, having had a DD who was allergic to cows milk protein, its really not hard to substitute it or do with out. She never knew any different and her bloods at 18 months showed she wasnt deficient in anything.

VVV, I think it's the accessibility of the other sources which can be problematic. Love it or loathe it, dairy is easy to buy and use.

Could I bend your ear then vvv as (apart from spinach that dd loves ) I am concerned about her calcium intake> So what foods do you give dd that are rich in calcium ( non dairy based).

Eurgh! I remember so well being forced to drink those little warm bottles of milk at school. Well meant I know but ... It's the only thing Thatcher Thatcher Milk Snatcher may have unwittingly got right.

I had asthma and exzc ... ecxz ... the skin quite badly all my life until about a year ago when I gave up dairy.

Those were nasty, I agree SM. It was the way the crates were left to sweat in the sunshine. Yuk!

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Thanks spidermama ( she's eating a fair few from those list atm so prob not as bad as I thought).

I disagree.

Having had DD who was milk allergic i replaced her milk drinks at a young age with soya milk. She has a very varied diet in respect of meat and vegetables.

Have you tasted soya milk? Its actually very nice - and i DONT like milk (to drink).

CM - look at the links that spidermama has posted on this thread and the other Mrs McCartney one. If your DD eats meatballs/patties/burgers/fishcake type things its easy to slip peas/beans/lentils or green leafy veg into those things without much trouble.

I would agree that in days past it was really easy to get cows milk - it was delivered to your doorstep. But, i think ALOT of people get theirs from the supermarket now - i do. So, if you are going there anyway for your weekly shop, pick up some packets of seeds/leafy green veg/packs of beans/pulses/lentils/nuts instead of a couple of pints.

Im slow at posting tonight

Well worth the wait QV.

But my boys love dairy. It may not be the best all round form of calcium, but it's one that they will eat and drink happpily every time. Different, of course, if there are allergies in a family.

but what's wrong with Ellen then?

Having said further down that HMM was mad as a box of frogs ( or words to that effect ) I have to say that this thread has got me thinking.

As a family of five we get through a least 15 pints of milk a week - because, as bubble says it's readily available. We have doorstep delivery. Maybe I do need to think a bit more about alternatives.

Not promising anything mind - at 17, 14 and 12 I'm not sure that more green stuff is going to go down too well with my lot.

And spider - it's OK - I thought you were just very friendly

why thank you.

Oh she's still a fruitloop, no worries there. Intelligent discussion or not.

Oh yes Bubble!

Saggar - it has got me thinking too. Now, sssshhhh - dont tell anyone but....i have used soya milk in some things i have made for my parents and they didnt notice the difference........

It depends what kind of things you cook but its pretty easy to puree up veg etc and hide it in sauces. I noticed on a list that chives was quite rich in calcium - they wouldnt object to chives being added in here and there (to start with) would they?

I'll settle for that. A harmless fruit loop though.

chives are quite rich.....