Police Officer killed during arrest

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Another officer seriously injured

news.sky.com/story/986584/policewoman-killed-during-attempted-arrest

even knowing "shit happens" does not really mean that you expect to go to work one morning and get killed doing it.

i am really well aware that any job can go tits up, no matter how calm or prepared you are, but ambushing and shooting dead two unarmed women who you have called to the location which you have planned to kill them at doesnt really come under the "shit happens" banner....

There will be no "knee jerk" reactions because the powers that be really dont give a shit.
i feel like cannon fodder. I feel used and abused with no pay back. This week my son went off to university, and i now have less than £90 to last me until pay day because, while i used think the job was well paid and well rewarded, i pay over £200 per month into a pension that is now slashed, i pay fed subs to the toothless tigers that our plastic union, i pay insurance to the hilt just in case i do get killed in service so my family are not left financially out of pocket, and i pay £200 a month in petrol. I earn about £400 more per month than i did when i worked 23 hours per week in a gp surgery - where the worst that happened was i got shouted at a bit by irate patients. I know work 6 days a week, some 10 hour shifts, with no breaks, and i risk getting killed doing the job.

go figure.

Sunwukong

This was a targeted and offensive attack on two unarmed women.....not an accident in a car where you could say "one of those things". Two women went to work and had an absolute right to go home again at the end of their shift. They didn't....not because "shit happens" but because a nasty offensive excuse for a human being got the idea in his head of killing a police officer or two.

That is not "shit happens", that is utter and outright premeditated murder. I hope he rots away in the full knowledge if what he has done....sad thing is that peopl like that don't regret their actions.

I am still raging about this....and I am anti death penalty, anti guns, anti violence but I am struggling with my beliefs today.

I am at a loss at what to say really at 'random shit happening ' - except that some people are complete tossers and need to fuck off back under the stone they crawled from under.

No, not "shit happens". This was completely deliberate. Shitty person does completely shitty thing because he knows the basic humanity shared by a significant proportion of the rest of the population will ensure he gets to live out his life in relative comfort nomatter what - and even if he is jailed for life he will probably be out in too short a time. Also shitty that frontline policing is now so strained and that we are going to lose a lot of good officers because they realise it's simply not worth the risk any more.

Un-mn {{}} and thanks to all those serving or who have served, or whose partners/friends/family members do so.

But he didn't know what police would be sent, he didn't ask for them by name thus it was a random attack on authority figures. He was just looking for any one in a police outfit to kill.

"the police should not go mad over it"

You really ARE in a planet of your own aren't you sunwukong

Oh he was just looking for anyone in a police outfit to kill...

Well that's okay then ....

Unbelievable sunwukong.Stop spouting shit.

Shit happens just means something random that happens. That's all, that be west London talk.

Well just fuck right back to West London then !

VicarinaTutu do you think being armed would make you feel safer?

Round here you'd be targetted just by people who want a free gun, a cheap handgun would just be laughed at by the drug gangs here they carry little Russian machine gun things. It would just cause more death.

Not gone yet then ?

Hi Vicar x I see you've come out of undercover

A black day for the police as a whole and the most terrible thing for the officer's shift colleagues. One of my colleagues was nearly strangled to death by a known police-hater, she was only a few seconds from death when they got the monster off her. We have been talking about it in the office this morning, we are all horrified. I felt sick when I saw the news yesterday.

Some comments on here do not deserve to be dignified with a response

Most of the police on this thread are not asking to be armed Sun......read the thread why don't you.

ive already stated on this thread (can you read sun? ) that i do not want to be armed

what is your crusade you idiot. go away. or learn to read and stop doing some "knee jerking" of your own.

God knows how long it takes our county colleagues to get help

Ages, ages and ages. Especially if the controller isn't paying attention. I had been in about a year when I was faced with a suspect in the street that may or may not still have been armed. He had threatened someone with a shotgun, I was taking a statement from the victim and it must have been about 2 hours after the original incident. Firearms had been called and were looking for the offender. I went outside to try and find a piece of plastic that the victim mentioned and the offender was about 10m from me. No idea if he was still armed. I had the victim with me to point out where things had happened

I remember the feeling of absolute terror 7 years later, feeling turned to stone with fear, panicking about putting the victim in further danger and calling up for a firearms unit and getting no response from the radio.

Being armed only helps in a situation where you are expecting to go into a high risk environment. It would make no difference to someone answering their door to what you think is a simple burglary and them shooting you in the head.

I don't know a single colleague that wishes to be armed.

i have done a days training with the armed response officers - they do not carry "a little handgun"

they do have hand guns, but they also carry machine guns and rifles. It was a very strange feeling holding, and pointing a gun, even at a target.

but i do not want our police force routinely armed. no.

i want a government to treat us fairly, to stop decimating our service to the point that it is unsafe on a daily basis, but arming me wouldnt stop that no.

i cant believe that following the shooting and furore following the shooting of Mark Duggan, that anyone is now saying arm us! the moment any officer actually did shoot someone there would be uproar. there already is. even when a suspect is armed, the officer is hung out to dry and the country riots....

so no. i dont want a gun. mine would go back with my warrant card and a request for my P45.

Sunwukong I take it you have told your local police all you know about the local drug gangs and the weapons they possess? You being a good, reasonable citizen and all.

Terribly, terribly sad. I couldn't post yesterday - nothing I could think of to say which seemed adequate. Was v worried about Vicar but I had no idea there were so many of you on MN. My heart goes out to you all; am so proud that our police officers still turn up for work despite everything, and in spite of the Government's lamentable attitude.

RIP. Thank you to the rest of you.

Totally agree with vicar and as I said earlier up thread. If I was still in the police force and they brought in changes that meant all officers would be armed, I would immediately resign.

Ditto MOSagain - I would resign too .

I have been a firearms officer and to routinely arm all officers would be the wrong thing to do.

There's a large variety of 'fly on the wall' style documentaries about the emergency services on TV at the moment.

The amount of abuse they suffer on a daily basis from absolute low life is staggering.

Feel so sorry for the families of these poor women.

Though I totally disagree with the call to routinely arm all front-line police officers - I take some comfort from the fact that the public is so outraged by the murder of these two officers that they are looking for any possible solution to prevent anything as tragic as this from ever happening again.

I think the answers lie more in - tackling gang-culture; ensuring that justice is properly served; sentencing appropriately; properly funding (not cutting) police budgets; and adequately rewarding officers for the work we do.

There's a vigil at Ashworth lane tomorrow at 7pm if anyone would like to attend. It's to support GMP and the residents of the area.