Police Officer killed during arrest

[AGoldenOrange]

Another officer seriously injured

news.sky.com/story/986584/policewoman-killed-during-attempted-arrest

[bureni]

Jodie, N.I has the lowest crime rate in the U.K by a clean mile which proves that arming police does work.

[JodieHarsh]

No, no really. Correlation does not equal causation blah blah.

[chipstick10]

saying someone can DIE is pretty nasty imho.

[WinklyFriedChicken]

Let's not have this thread.descend into a bunfight about arming officers.

Two women have put themselves out there for the public and been murdered. Tragic.

[Thumbwitch]

That's awful. :(

But I agree that arming the police is not necessarily the way to go, it can just escalate violence. Armed police in Australia don't reduce gun crime.

[Doyouthinktheysaurus]

What a tragedy

The Police have such a tough job, this is absolutely shocking!

[AWomanCalledHorse]

bureni, if NI was safe how comes police officers over there are not supposed to tell neighbours their job because of the risk & English officers are warned not to bring their warrant cards over/tell NI people their jobs?

chipstick, the changes she's forcing through will mean Police deaths increase...she can go play in traffic for all I care.

Anyway, don't think this is the right thread to go into it, hope the families didn't have to find out via the news.

[JodieHarsh]

Yes, true chipstick. It's a saying, not a genuine wish, but a thoughless one.

She is, however, evil to the bone, and personally responsible for the decimation of the police force, the destruction of the morale of police officers nationwide, putting the public's safety at risk and, ultimately, endangering the lives of countless police officers.

Die is too strong but by God I'd see that woman in the stocks.

Winkly also is right. APols for derailing.

[teejwood]

bureni NI's low crime rate can't be linked to guns imho; it is a combination of more rural population/slightly more deferential society (though that has changed a lot over the years) and the fact certain communities self-police/certain groups control the criminal activity that does occur which inevitably has an impact on recorded levels of crime.

Personally I would rather have more unarmed police (in suitable protective clothing) than fewer police with guns.

Vicar so pleased you are OK - it is dreadful these wpc's have died and my thoughts go out to their families.

Fwiw - the alleged murderer handed himself in after shooting the officers. He was not arrested until he had handed himself in. Anyone else think he did this to protect himself?

[OscarPistoriusGirlfriend]

The helicopters are over my house and the road that they keep showing as ROAD CLOSED i have to drive down to get my son. The poor officers and their families, absolutely tragic. It was reported as a routine call to a disturbance. I don't live on the estate but it was an empty house we pass most days between my mum's and mine.

Terrible day.

[niceguy2]

Bureni, personally speaking I'd be ok with an armed police force. But I know many (including a lot of officers) wouldn't want it.

Part of my job means I travel to many countries and I've yet to see one outside of the UK where police are not armed. It certainly would bring a lot of benefits in terms of deterrence. I agree on that.

My hesitation is really because like I say, as a nation I don't think we're ready for it because of the way we seem to pillory officers for decisions they had a split second to make. Remember the De Mendez case? Duggan? I just don't think it's fair to give the police a gun then string them up when they use it in good faith but later find out it's a genuine mistake.

As a nation we don't support the police enough. Back when I lived in the US, one of the things I really took away was the genuine respect your average american had for law enforcement & armed forces. Something sorely lacking in this country.

It's so sad to hear this. Especially as a close friend of mine is also a police officer. You sort of know this is a risk but this sort of incident really brings the dangers home.

[Narked]

Read what else he's been arrested for. The poor police officers were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[creighton]

he handed himself in because he has nowhere to hide now. no one to protect him. this is the guy who threw a hand grenade into a house a few weeks ago isn't he and killed somone?

[AGoldenOrange]

If anyone wants a bun fight can they take it elsewhere. Two women went to work this morning and they won't be coming home

[creighton]

niceguy2 people respect the law and the police but don't automatically respect police officers who they think are not behaving correctly.

these murders are rare, thank goodness, we don't need the police to be armed. the criminals will see it as and excuse for shootouts in the street.

[teejwood]

creighton yes, that's what I was getting at - nowhere to hide now, police probably would have been given carte blanche to use all possible means to protect themselves (using guns) while arresting a man who was armed, dangerous and didn't give a shit who he hurt.

[AGoldenOrange]

He was wanted in connection with the murder of a father and son.

[MissMogwi]

Absolutely awful. Poor, poor women and their families and colleagues.

[ThatVikRinA22]

Theresa May can go swivel as far as im concerned.

and no to us being armed - i wouldnt want that at all - id leave. there are armed response officers - that should be enough if we had use of them but they are now usually tied up with routine work cos there are not enough of the rest of us

short memories - the riots started cos of an armed incident. (even though on the news today it is confirmed that he had the gun when he was shot - it makes no difference - when the police shoot people public opinion turns against the police)

i would not want arming. if i wanted arming id go into armed response.
anyway.

very sad to learn of the second officers death. how awful for their families and colleagues.

right. really off now....gonna be late.

[WinklyFriedChicken]

Every single day, but for the grace of god, that could be me, or dh, or any number of close personal friends. This has really thrown me today.

[meditrina]

They have now announced with sadness that the second officer has died.

It seem the event (possibly involving a grenade) came out of nowhere during a routine call on an ordinary patrol. They where not involved in the hunt for Creegan (who has handed himself in now), and it seems they encountered him by bad luck.

[ThatVikRinA22]

nb - any routine job can go tits up in seconds - we often go and do routine arrest attempts without any back up.

not sure of the back story so wont even begin to speculate....but its horrendous.

[ShobGiteTheKnid]

:(

[bassetfeet]

Awful news and my heart goes out to the officers and their families .
Stay safe Vicar ............I always read your posts with great respect before your name change .

Agree that this govt are decimating the police forces and causing great stress on the service and our officers on the front line .
Have family member in the force and am horrified at the lack of numbers on shift ....and the awful people they have to deal with so often .
Whether arming our officers would make it safer ? I just dont know ..
so sad .