George Galloway - insertion not rape

[stargirl1701]

Just read a tweet where it is suggested former MP George Galloway feels that once a woman decides to have a sex with a men he can have sex with her subsequently, while she sleeps, as the man doesn't need consent for each "insertion"! In his view, this does not constitute rape. WTF! This is his defence of the allegations against Assange.

The Guardian claim to have seen the full evidence against Assange and have detailed it all in that link.

Again, he needs to go to Sweden to face the charges. Otherwise his reputation is shot anyway and he loses all credibility.

Innocent people don't tend to run away.

Yes it could be a dirty tricks campaign and that has to be taken into consideration largely to do with the timing of it all, given Assange's involvement in WikiLeaks and the US reaction to it. But the longer he stays away the worse he makes it for himself.

If those women were raped then they need to see him in court and they need to get the chance to tell the court what happened.

I've always detested this man. Now I know that I was fully justified.

:(

Which one? Galloway or Assange?
Both are quite detestable really.

I mean George Galloway. Not Assange. Though he sounds thoroughly unpleasant too and, yes, it appears, a rapist.

madas Can I ask what difference that makes?

Plenty of women do not fight off their rapist.

It would be easier for the US to extradite Assange from the UK than Sweden. We have an extradition treat based on probability (see multiple cases over the last 12 months). Sweden does not have that with the US. They are signatories (as are the UK) to the ECHR which could be used to block extradition using the evidence of Bradley Manning's incarceration,

Assange would be safer in Sweden if he is worried about the US.

Still makes GG's comments WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Not been proven yet MamaMary.

It's funny but I agreed with some of Galloways rantings despite myself really. I hate the man yet some of his politics were sound.

Then Assange, same thing. The footage of US soldiers shooting civilians, not only that but enjoying it, needed to be shown. Yes he was a whistle-blower but for a bloody good cause because questions needed to be asked. That sort of conduct cannot carry on and the US cannot hush it up. We need whistle-blowers to tell the world what is going on.

Yet when I saw him with his bevvy of female supporters and then the mob outside the embassy who probably don't even know the full details, I just cringed. He seems an arsehole too.

Was just a question really related to my earlier post, have just read the link posted and understand more. I am not saying because she let him carry on she was consenting i was just after a bit more background.

This is interesting:

The co-ordinator of the WikiLeaks group in Stockholm, who is a close colleague of Assange and who also knows both women, told the Guardian: "This is a normal police investigation. Let the police find out what actually happened. Of course, the enemies of WikiLeaks may try to use this, but it begins with the two women and Julian. It is not the CIA sending a woman in a short skirt."

He seems to imply that he does not think this is a honey-trap set up by the US.

Dinah - there is a post up-thread from a woman who has actually experienced this, and it certainly doesn't sound as if she found it a minor sexual misdemeanor - it sounds as if it was very upsetting and traumatic for her. Doubting that sex with a sleeping woman is rape is denying the pain of women like this poster - why would any decent person want to do that?

And I do not consider that I have what you sarcastically termed a 'sacred' vagina - but it is still up to me what goes in there, and when.

Agree that we need whistleblowers.

If Assange is innocent then he's nothing to fear. (Thiugh, yes, it's perhaps not a clear-cut situation given the politics involved).

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Am off to knit a tin hat for Dinah.

your conspiracy theories are unlikely to persuade me to take you seriously, and your 'sacred vagina' comment is simply offensive to anyone who has been raped. Please don't come on a thread where women have told their very personal and upsetting stories and belittle them with snide comments.

don't forget that bulk order of silver foil, MmeL

Bloody hell. Finally got around to reading the 'evidence' of a conspiracy theory that someone (I think Dinah) linked earlier - from the Guardian

How can anyone offer that as evidence of a theory and not be utterly appalled at the way these women have been treated?

'And with Assange's arrest, parts of the internet have declared open season on the two women, vowing to enlist an army of tech-savvy research assistants skilled in squirrelling out information that others might wish to keep hidden ? described with ill-disguised glee today by one blogger as "the First World Infowar".'

and this is why women wait to report until they think there is a better chance they might be believed

or don't bother reporting at all

Yes - AnyFucker and the enthusiasm that's being shown in "proving" how unreliable JA's accusers are is chilling.

medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=686:incinerating-assange-the-liberal-media-go-to-work&catid=25:alerts-2012&Itemid=69

An interesting link

Well mr galloways clarification of his comments is most illuminating. Despite having the true meaning of the law pointed out to him, he still doesn't believe what assange was accused of could constitute rape.

It's on the bbc news site.

had to add the huckabee link to my FB, it was just too good!
i think the people your having a go at on this thread belong to another time, they dont really matter, however infuriating they are, fewer and fewer people are actually listening to them