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George Galloway - insertion not rape

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stargirl1701 · 20/08/2012 16:28

Just read a tweet where it is suggested former MP George Galloway feels that once a woman decides to have a sex with a men he can have sex with her subsequently, while she sleeps, as the man doesn't need consent for each "insertion"! In his view, this does not constitute rape. WTF! This is his defence of the allegations against Assange.

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DinahMoHum · 21/08/2012 14:18

I think hes brilliant and he made no apologies for the guys behaviour, but it was in response to how he believed it was a smokescreen for the wikileaks fiasco, which i think is probably true

THERhubarb · 21/08/2012 14:18

Rape case facts here

What concerns me is that the two women met each other briefly whilst helping to organise an event for Assange, then after the second one slept with him they both got in touch, met up and then went to the police.

Anyway, read the entire story for yourselves. I wouldn't like to say if it's true or not. I wasn't there and I'm not part of the jury but it's by no means a simple case.

THERhubarb · 21/08/2012 14:19

Oh and Galloway's a wanker.

yellowraincoat · 21/08/2012 14:19

TheRhubarb why does it concern you that they met afterwards? What is it about that that suggests to you that they are lying? I apologise if that's not your implication.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 21/08/2012 14:21

TheRhubarb, they may have gone together for mutual support.

yellowraincoat · 21/08/2012 14:21

Really, DinahMoMum ?

a. you think he's brilliant. A matter of opinion, sure, but how you can think he is brilliant when he just spouts lowest common denominator bullshit is beyond me.

b. he made no apologies for Assange's behaviour? Were we watching the same video? He called non-consensual sex with a sleeping partner "bad sexual etiquette". And that's not an apology for his behaviour?

MooncupGoddess · 21/08/2012 14:25

Or they may have been doubting themselves - did that really happen the way I remember, was it my fault? - as many rape/sexual assault victims do... then realised a similar thing had happened to both of them.

Often when a rapist is arrested/charged other women will come forward and say that he assaulted them too, but that they didn't have the courage to go to the police at the time.

DinahMoHum · 21/08/2012 14:26

it concerns me because as galloway said, two women with extensive political background, have come out at an extrordinarily convenient time, changing their story, and now george galloway has just said that if you classify a fumbling the morning after a night when she held a party FOR assange, and invited him to her bed, and then he tried to have sex in the morning after, first she said asleep, then half asleep, then asleep again. Its not good. GG said it was disgusting and he absolutely condemned it, but that it wasnt rape, and that to call it rape, was dismissive of the problem of real rape.
GGs words are being twisted. Important details are being left out, and i bet the tories are wringing their hands in DELIGHT over this.
I hope people dont forget the amazing work GG has done before trying to run him out of office for a job he does BRILLIANTLY for the sake of one minor comment.
fucking handwringers

DinahMoHum · 21/08/2012 14:28

people are acting like hes said "well if you do it once, youre fair game slut" or something

read what he ACTUALLY said

MooncupGoddess · 21/08/2012 14:29

I have read it, Dinah. To quote:

'I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them. It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, "do you mind if I do it again?" ... but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning.'

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 21/08/2012 14:30

Sex with someone who is asleep is sex without consent.
Sex without consent is the crime of rape.

Sexual contact with someone who is asleep is sexual contact without consent.
Sexual contact without consent is the crime of indecent assault in the UK and I believe the crime is sexual molestation in Sweden.

Finally, if you and George Galloway are right, Dinah, JA will be found not guilty.

AnyFucker · 21/08/2012 14:32

this mindset "that isn't really rape and you are devaluing the term to call it so" is actually very common

and very wrong

DinahMoHum · 21/08/2012 14:36

*Mr Galloway, a frequent critic of the US and UK governments, said Mr Assange's "only crime was to expose, through Wikileaks, malfeasance by states including our own and the US on a truly gargantuan scale".

In a thirty minute podcast, the controversial anti-war MP said it was "an extraordinary coincidence that public enemy number one, Julian Assange, somehow gets inveigled with two women with incredibly complex political backgrounds who just, at the right time, come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct against him".

"Let me tell you, I think that Julian Assange's personal sexual behaviour is sordid, disgusting, and I condemn it," he said.

"But even taken at its worst, if the allegations made by these two women were true, 100 per cent true, and even if a camera in the room captured them, they don't constitute rape.

"At least not rape as anyone with any sense can possibly recognise it. And somebody has to say this."

'Factually incorrect'
The Bradford West MP suggested one of the women had claimed she invited Mr Assange back to her flat, had consensual sex with him and then "woke up to him having sex with her again - something which can happen, you know".

On the issue of whether this would constitute rape or not, Mr Galloway suggested that "not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion".

"Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

"It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, 'do you mind if I do it again?'

"It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning." *

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 21/08/2012 14:40

Oh good, if that is what you read Dinah then I did indeed read the same thing.

AnyFucker · 21/08/2012 14:40

we've seen the quote, dinah

are you thinking it might mean something else if we read it again ?

yellowraincoat · 21/08/2012 14:40

Yes, I read (and listened) to all that DinahMoMum

I would like to know your opinion. Do you really think that if you are in bed with your partner that you are "in the sex game" with them? And that at any point, they can stick their cock in you and that that is ok?

Because I really don't think it is. From a moral point or a legal one.

THERhubarb · 21/08/2012 14:42

I don't know if the allegations are true or not.

But according to The Guardian report, neither woman knew the other so to meet up afterwards would play into the hands of those crying 'conspiracy'.

He apparently met one woman, slept with her (the second time the condom broke and it was alleged rape), that woman then helped out at a public event where the second woman was. She went on a date with Assange, slept with him and the second time the condom again broke and again it was rape. Both women then allegedly met up (it doesn't say how they both knew they'd slept with him), discussed what happened and both went to the police.

Yes this could very well be the actions of 2 women who were raped within a day of each other or it could be the actions of a conspiracy. I really don't know. Personally I find him and his 'groupies' freaky and he's done little to rally up support, but as for rape, well I think he needs to face justice and let a judge and jury decide.

None of us are equipped with the full facts to deliver a verdict.
In this case, the allegations of a conspiracy HAVE to be looked into. Of course they do.

He needs to shoulder responsibility and return to Sweden to be tried.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 21/08/2012 14:43

"He needs to shoulder responsibility and return to Sweden to be tried. "

Yep, completely on board with this.

DinahMoHum · 21/08/2012 14:44

I think its pretty dodgy for someone to just assume youd be up for it again in the morning when you were half asleep (as the woman ORIGINALLY) claimed. You open yourself to all sorts of possible lawsuits if youre a high profile person.
I cant say it would particularly bother me if id already been banging them enthusiastically half the night.

THERhubarb · 21/08/2012 14:44

Oh and whatever Galloway said bears no relation to this case. He was mouthing off his own personal views on rape which are ignorant and pathetic just like him.

Just because you have slept with someone once it does not mean that you therefore 'own' them and can do what you like with them. Women are not possessions or playthings.

Galloway is an arsehole.

yellowraincoat · 21/08/2012 14:45

It would be a pretty crap conspiracy considering Sweden still want him to come back for trial, and that to then extradite him would require the permission of the UK as well.

yellowraincoat · 21/08/2012 14:47

No dinahMo the woman originally claimed she was asleep, which she changed to half asleep.

It would really really bother me if my partner, who I often bang enthusiastically, had sex with me when I was asleep.

But then he wouldn't do that, because he isn't a rapist.

DinahMoHum · 21/08/2012 14:51

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yellowraincoat · 21/08/2012 14:53

"This is someone's life you're talking about".

If I don't want my life ruined, I don't go about committing sexual crimes.

DinahMoHum · 21/08/2012 14:54

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