How plausible do we find John Terry's defense?

[Condover]

That he was only repeating words Anton Ferdinand has accused him of saying.

I can't imagine saying those words ever. I'd be very upset to be accused of saying them, but I wouldn't repeat them in my denial, but then I'm not John Terry....

ah, that makes sense..Raeday..the only posts you have made are also on this thread..... Apart from defending a bloke NOT being 'harassed' for making maintenance payments in another topic. I see...

You see what?

for pointing out that men, hetrosexuals, abled bodied persons are not exempt from abuse?

Raeday, men are certainly not exempt from abuse but among the most discriminated people in our society????

oh Raeday, you are almost as transparent as ironman. It's just odd to have both sections on the same thread at the same time.

oh, and before you try your shit with me Pan,

I've spent more money than you can imagine just to be a father, shame on you for trying to insinuate that is my motive for commenting on this thread.

I don't believe I've written anything to suggest I have a 'motive'.

Yes Lotta,

I do believe they are.

Again Raeday, please tell us more

odd?

in what way

no shit involved, sweetie. Post away.

I would be happy to tell you anything Lotta,

what would you like to know?

How you think men are discriminated against?

if HQ delete that last post, then this bit can survive:

Raeday - you don't have to spend lots of money to be a good father. You just have to be a good father.

With respect Lotta,

I will reply from experience but would like to note that I am not trying to in any way insinuate that any other person is exempt from discrimination.

I have had to fight through the prejudice of being seperated from my own child for nearly 2 years after being diagnosed with a life threatening illness. In my experience the family courts are not gender biased but it is a fact that a parent that 'takes' a child does indeed hold an enourmous amount of power and it is an uphill struggle for the other parent to fight back.

The discrimination aside from the above, that a parent is entitled to child benefit etc and 'was' able to abuse legal aid, I was not and had to ensure I had legal representation by the unfortunate means of beng unemployed whilst said parent continued to try and prevent contact.

I am now face with having my housing benefit reduced due to the fact that I am under 35, although I have shared care of my child and a mother that is asking for money for childcare etc above CSA. My own thought is, thank god I can get back to work again now my child has a father again but i'm having to borrow to keep a two bedroom flat until I can find a job now, or two etc

So, I do believe I am being discriminated due to my gender and age.

I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread, I was merely pointing out that gender, sexuality etc has nothing to do with the matter we were discussing.

and in reply,

I've never had anything to do with fathers 4 justice,

I attended two meetings with FnF, and they helped me in getting rid of my first solicitor.

Money has nothing to do with being a Father, I agree. Try going through cancer surgery alone and staying in the city you stayed in just to be 2 miles from your child for 20 months although there was nothing stopping you seeing your child.

My child has a father now, and it has taken all this time to change her mothers mindset.

thank you

Well, Raeday, as you so politely put it to me, 'before you try your shit with me..', I'm not the judge or arbiter about your circs, though they are massive holes in what you say, and the prevention of contact is a whole other back story I'm sure. But it's late, and you have your battles to fight. But once you post about abuse of legal aid, severed contact, and refusal of contact on the basis of your illness will raise more than the odd in any thinking individual.

Pan,

I apologise for any offence,

I would be so happy to talk to you about anything I've said. I've faced more than the odd face, people cannot comprehend that but tis true.

I've not forumed much in my time but would be happy to talk to you.

blessings

ok Raeday. Accept that on face value, thanks. I am also a nrp, and have learned that whatever disagreement you have with ex- (and I've had a few) , it's nothing compared with the health, happiness and well-being of the little ones. Though not so little anymore.

Respect to you Pan,

Thank you.

Right
Glad we are all sorted on this for the time being.

That's Olivia saying 'bed time'. And now.

Thepan Unfortunately you have left me and my mixed race husband with no choice. I am very offended that one you accuse me of being a racist, (and a man) and not being married to a man who is mixed race. You insult my children by saying that they don't exist.

I have only said that I believe in free speech for everyone no matter their colour.

I'm not a 'troll' as you put it. I've commented on many issues and I'm not new to MN.

Unlike you I believe in free speech. My husband and I will personally complain to MN headquarters.
Your behaviour is bullying and hectoring and MN should sort it out.

My husband and I will personally complain to MN headquarters.

You go, girlfriend